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Inattentive Behavior in Boys with ADHD During Classroom Instruction [pdf]

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Post by aimonster2 »

hirvi74 wrote: post #14
aimonster2 wrote: post #3

FSIQ was a bad way of identifying the cohort. They should break it up into GAI, WMI, and PSI instead since the key indications of cognitive capacity are in GAI and the WMI and PSI just show the area of deficit. I.E. a 104 FSIQ may be the same as a 110 FSIQ for neurotypical since the WMI and PSI are probably 1/2 to 1 standard deviation below the mean for the ADHD cohort. I know several gifted students with an FSIQ of…

What you are describing is similar to how I was diagnosed. I took the WAIS-IV and was told that I do not "technically" have an IQ since I have ADHD and the tests are not designed nor calibrated to measure intelligence in populations other than neurotypicals. Doesn't mean I cannot be given a score, just that it's not technically "accurate." I am quite dubious of IQ testing to begin with. But for the sake of adding to…

Yup. That's a good indicator of disability. My son is 3 SD between his VCI and his PSI. I've seen a lot of gifted kids with this kind of span. I received the same explanation when I was younger given that my scores were all over the place on the WAIS and Ravens. I've seen kids with FSIQ of 140 and a PSI in the high 80s. You should be able to take your VCI and PRI and get a composite score called your GAI, which correlates stronger with G than FSIQ when there's disability. IQ is measuring something that correlates with life outcomes. It is called G. It is not necessarily intelligence, nor does it indicate that it is a causative agent for life outcomes, only that there is a strong correlation. The old ASVABs and SATs used to correlate strongly with 'G' as well. VCI and PRI are the back of the brain, and WMI and PSI are the very front. It is the front of the brain that makes us human. It is why ADHD and other frontal brain disorders are in reality drastically life altering. People don't realize just how bad of a disability ADHD is.

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Post by aimonster2 »

lazide wrote: post #11
austin-cheney wrote: post #2

ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

In my experience, it is as often a specific set of genetic traits exposed to a specific set of narcissistic abuse and environmental stressors. It’s why it tends to show up in early childhood, and ‘get better’ as they get older and learn how to defend themselves and avoid the destructive people and environments that are gaslighting them into doing things that are decompensating for them (actually, for everyone - which…

Are you referring to Mate? https://youtu.be/-8bp39NpU-o?si=fAPG_J39ElnD19gM

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Post by aimonster2 »

nickfromseattle wrote: post #21
austin-cheney wrote: post #2

ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

This sounds like me. Poor working / short term memory made school (memorizing facts) a nightmare. Do you have more resources that educate about ADHD from this perspective?

You want to watch Dr. Russel Barkley's videos. He does the best job of explaining ADHD as an executive function deficit, not an 'attention' deficit. https://www.youtube.com/@russellbarkleyphd2023

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Post by aimonster2 »

austin-cheney wrote: post #22
bsdz wrote: post #20

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I think research shows the most important genes are involved in producing dopamine. Two of the genes that have been found to be implicated most commonly are DAT1 and DRD4, although others are being discovered all the time. This means that brain signals are not carried correctly, and the signals may be carried to the wrong part of the brain. This, in part, leads to the well known symptoms of ADHD afaik. So memory defi…

Dopamine is certainly a factor, but low serotonin is at greater distinction. The dopamine cycle exists to regulate task completion and is associated with reward stimulus. Serotonin is associated with mood regulation. In manically depressed persons and persons with advanced ADHD serotonin production is extremely low compared to normal. The primary compensating behavior then is seeking external mood stimulators. For th…

Dopamine is critical because it is what signals thallamic and striatal signals to the prefrontal cortex which is where the executive function deficits originate.

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Post by aimonster2 »

adynaton wrote: post #4
austin-cheney wrote: post #2

ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

Hello. Do you have any resources about this? I have memory issues similar to the ones you described.

Check out Barkley: https://www.youtube.com/@russellbarkleyphd2023

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Post by aimonster2 »

acchow wrote: post #16
austin-cheney wrote: post #2

ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

ADHD is not a memory issue. The memory issues are secondary. Ever seen someone with ADHD fixated on something? Memory is not a problem within that topic.

Specifically working memory and task salience.

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Post by tnecniv »

acchow wrote: post #16
austin-cheney wrote: post #2

ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

ADHD is not a memory issue. The memory issues are secondary. Ever seen someone with ADHD fixated on something? Memory is not a problem within that topic.

I have a mild enough case I didn’t get diagnosed until grad school and my long term memory is great. I’d crush history tests growing up and struggled more with math due to misreading problems and making sign errors or similar mistakes.

I did have a biology teacher that marked me down because I “didn’t look like I was paying attention” in class because I didn’t look like how most people focus on a lecture, but I retained as much info as anyone.

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Post by piperswe »

k8svet wrote: post #27
gtvwill wrote: post #19

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^^^ mate I can tell you a million facts about a million things as I've probably hyperfixated on something related to whatever your interested in at some point over the last 20 years. But I still can't remember where I put my wallet, phone and keys.

I say this with love, not condemnation. You have to start caring. Like actually caring. Or develop habits and discipline. I was this person. I watched my dad be the person all his life, watching my mom both enable and resent him for it. Then I realize what a nuisance he was to those around him, and how embarrassing it was that he seemingly can't take care of himself. Now I have a cross body "man-purse", I've traveled…

I care. I don't know how I could care more. I beat myself up (mentally and sometimes slightly physically) when I fail to accomplish tasks, because I care.

I have an issue with executive function. And I often hate myself for it. "Caring" has never helped.

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Post by theaussiestew »

LargeTomato wrote: post #17

I have ADHD but growing up we didn't know that. I threw a lot of tantrums and was yelled at until I cried almost every day. I was grounded for months on end, which is now considered child abuse. In my house yelling was the norm. My mom decided I must have bipolar disorder just like my grandmother. At age 10 I was put on psychiatric drugs and that persisted for over 20 years. Any time I exhibited any intense emotion I…

I think the last line hits the hardest. So much suffering happened to you and it just happened. I've been through something similar. Took a while for me to realise that people were just doing what they thought was best, but the consequences still remain.

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

k8svet wrote: post #27
gtvwill wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^^^ mate I can tell you a million facts about a million things as I've probably hyperfixated on something related to whatever your interested in at some point over the last 20 years. But I still can't remember where I put my wallet, phone and keys.

I say this with love, not condemnation. You have to start caring. Like actually caring. Or develop habits and discipline. I was this person. I watched my dad be the person all his life, watching my mom both enable and resent him for it. Then I realize what a nuisance he was to those around him, and how embarrassing it was that he seemingly can't take care of himself. Now I have a cross body "man-purse", I've traveled…

> Now I have a cross body "man-purse", I've traveled half a dozen countries in a year and haven't lost a single thing. My wallet, my keys, my yubikey, my sunglasses, my backup meds, they have exactly one place they're allowed to be, and they're always there when I go to grab them.

That doesn't mean you care and everyone doesn't, it means you figured out a way to avoid the issue entirely.

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