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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by orwin »

halJordan wrote: post #319
malfist wrote: post #263

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Monopolies are the end goal of capitalism

Monopolies are broken by capitalism just as much as they're created by capitalism. The whole "end-stage capitalism" schtick is wrong because a free market will lead to the ossification and then breakdown of a monopolist. You just have to finish spring semester of Econ101 to find out how.

Capitalism != free market. You think of liberalism here.

Capitalism is about private ownership of the means of production, no? Maybe the definition changed in the US?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by Dah00n »

ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #404
halJordan wrote: post #332

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The chick's tiktok went viral immediately. And fast followers were already posting tiktoks with pictures of the actual plane, breakdowns of how door plugs are made, etc. You just have to go where the content is. Reuters has been sending journalists across the world for over 100 years. You just have to dl tiktok.

Screw TikTok. It's a cesspool of shit, compounded by its idiotic aspect ratio.

So, as bad as any other social media, yet with access to as much or more information. At least it is better than videos on Facebook or Reddit.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by Dah00n »

throw_away_584 wrote: post #338
cellis wrote: post #317

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How would triangulation of that small of an item be done?

They drop another door from the same place, this time with an airtag taped to it

Poor people who get a second door in the head.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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ImaCake wrote: post #432
g9yuayon wrote: post #402

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A friend of mine works in Boeing as a data scientist. His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. They spend their days creating processes, managing tickets, enforcing specific formats of tickets and stories and what not. Yet, none of the eight knew how to write product specs nor could be bothered with basic things like understanding…

I find this genuinely incomprehensible. I have never encountered a single person who was not technically proficient in the team’s tasks across the 10 years of my hodgepodge career in a variety of semi-independent small teams and currently a small business. Small teams don’t have the margin for non technical folk. It often falls on people like me to become, temporarily, the admin or become the GIS department as such t…

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by hintymad »

danpalmer wrote: post #540
g9yuayon wrote: post #402

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A friend of mine works in Boeing as a data scientist. His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. They spend their days creating processes, managing tickets, enforcing specific formats of tickets and stories and what not. Yet, none of the eight knew how to write product specs nor could be bothered with basic things like understanding…

> His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. Not disregarding your point, I think we all agree Boeing sounds like bureaucracy hell, but could it be that the 8 who are "managing projects" are in fact managing contractors or outsourced employees who are writing code? I worked with a large multi-national fashion company, and they had a…

Unfortunately no. They are just an internal team that take internal requirements from different orgs and does not handle contractors or vendors.

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Post by Dah00n »

IceHegel wrote: post #60
LargeTomato wrote: post #46

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Boeing is late stage MBA. Intel is mid-stage MBA. Google/Alphabet is early stage MBA.

This seems basically right and there is no known cure save bringing back a founder (Jobs & Apple).

They need it since Apple is right there with Intel.

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Post by csours »

shriek wrote: post #259
thfuran wrote: post #215

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And it's not like driving is especially safe. It's just that traffic deaths are so routine that they're not generally widely reported, while pretty much every major issue with an airplane gets national attention. In the US, traffic deaths amount to the equivalent of a fully loaded 747 lost with all hands every couple days.

Because the chance of you dying when something goes wrong in an aircraft at high altitude is significantly higher (almost 100%) than you dying in a car crash. There's still a chance of you getting ambulance on road accidents but you're plummeting to your death on major aircraft malfunction.

It feels like this should be true, but your chance to survive a serious in-flight mishap are actually really good. Like a 90%+ chance of survival.

How can that be? Very few serious in flight mishaps STAY in the news for more than one day, but proportionally MANY mishaps that lead to death stay in the news.

This incident has juice because it's a Boing 737 series aircraft.

It may be hard to believe what I wrote here, and it would be hard to verify if you just look at the general news. You'll need to look at specialized air transport reporting to see the baseline of major mishaps.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by bmitc »

therealcamino wrote: post #524
roody15 wrote: post #419

Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…

You are confusing two different issues. The article you reference is from December 2022. The MAX 8 had already returned to service two years prior, with the required fixes to the MCAS system, in 2020. This law had to do with a deadline for certifying the MAX 7 without completely redesigning some of the systems. I'm not a Boeing defender here -- these issues are incredibly concerning.

What are all the differences between these MAX planes? Is this an intentional strategy by Boeing to confuse so that they can make all these loose arguments and skirt regulations?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by InTheArena »

avidphantasm wrote: post #31
el-dude-arino wrote: post #6

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At the very least we should have a corporate death penalty. Force the company into bankruptcy, de-list it from the stock market, and turn it into a worker-owned co-op that can never be publicly traded or be sold to private equity.

Worker-owned companies have a unbelievably shitty record in the aviation space.It's been tried.

The right thing to do at this point is to go the airbus route, make the government responsible for launch aid, and put engineers back in charge of the company.

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