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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by Exuma »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #341
csours wrote: post #153

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Things like this are always alarming until you learn the base rate. Unfortunately, I cannot find a quick reference for this, but many many flights take off with some anomaly noted in the technical log book.

I can't link you an independent source just my word as an aircraft mechanic. I have never seen a 100% serviceable aircraft, as far as I'm concerned a aircraft where everything works to spec and the spec works to needs is a myth that we strive for but can never achieve.

Got any undercover advice for Airlines or plane models to avoid? When you book at ticket is there anything you just won't fly knowing what you know?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by danpalmer »

Nextgrid wrote: post #485
mrandish wrote: post #35

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> At least Airbus seems to be competent in building safe aircraft. Prior to new models released in the last ~10yrs-ish, Boeing made the safest planes in the sky (as measured by passenger miles). Many of those planes are still flying and still doing great. For me the interesting question is what changed in Boeing's design, testing and/or manufacturing processes which is apparently resulting in worse safety performance…

> what changed in Boeing's design, testing and/or manufacturing processes My theory is that this is not limited to Boeing or even aircraft design, it's a much deeper and systemic problem affecting all kinds of fields. We've had a lot of industrial accidents lately. When aircraft manufacturing was an emerging industry there were tons of undocumented safety margins and "slack" in the design and production pipeline. Ove…

I pretty much agree with this. The aggressive push towards optimisation everywhere in life is causing strain at the margins. I think this has always happened though, including without capitalism – it's basically the definition of growing pains. It's a natural process to some extent, and I'm not sure that corrections ever really happen, we just find new areas, new things that don't have the same limitations and grow into those.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by thfuran »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #528
thfuran wrote: post #215

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And it's not like driving is especially safe. It's just that traffic deaths are so routine that they're not generally widely reported, while pretty much every major issue with an airplane gets national attention. In the US, traffic deaths amount to the equivalent of a fully loaded 747 lost with all hands every couple days.

A death every 100 million miles driven in the US. That's pretty safe.

Not compared to flying.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by kaashif »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #498
game_the0ry wrote: post #482

The only remedy at this point is to hold executives financially and morally culpable. Anyone opposed to seeing the entire C-suite and board of directors having their bonuses clawed back and sent to jail? I'm not. Let the guillotine come out, I want to see heads roll.

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Could be controversial, but I am actually against rape.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by throwaway67743 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #482

The only remedy at this point is to hold executives financially and morally culpable. Anyone opposed to seeing the entire C-suite and board of directors having their bonuses clawed back and sent to jail? I'm not. Let the guillotine come out, I want to see heads roll.

Executives are personally liable for loss of life, regardless of the law it is morally contemptible to hide behind a corporation. Until people go to jail for manslaughter this will not change.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by jdksmdbtbdnmsm »

onpointed wrote: post #316
jdksmdbtbdnmsm wrote: post #262

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> Competition is a core principle of capitalism Capitalism is literally defined by the ability to invest capital to accumulate more of it by way of profit. The logical end of this process is straightforwardly monopoly.

And if the world/environment/context of the business didn’t change then the monopolies might last, but because there is change there is room to innovate and outcompete the monopolies.

Who doesn't love a fundamentally disastrous system justified by a sometimes possible exception?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by danpalmer »

algesten wrote: post #360
rootusrootus wrote: post #82

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What makes it the best? I've flown on it, and it seems nice enough, though it isn't the most comfortable airliner I've flown on. It's certainly the biggest! But there are only what, 250 or so that were put into service? It's hard to have a strong opinion about a plane in such a small niche.

For me the A380 is the most comfortable. I'm slightly scared of flying, and turbulence making the entire plane jump around makes it that much worse. I'm only speculating, but I think it might be the sheer bulk of the A380 making it the smoothest rides I've ever been on.

Agreed, I fly long haul a lot and the A380 is the best. A350 is pretty good. 787 is fine, and 777 is crap.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by crisdux »

jdksmdbtbdnmsm wrote: post #262
crisdux wrote: post #230

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No, this isn't a well-functioning capitalist system. Competition is a core principle of capitalism. What occurred in the aerospace industry represents a government-sanctioned monopoly.

> Competition is a core principle of capitalism Capitalism is literally defined by the ability to invest capital to accumulate more of it by way of profit. The logical end of this process is straightforwardly monopoly.

Capitalism is not only defined by the accumulation of capital, but also by competition. The interplay between market forces, competition, innovation, and regulation in capitalism works against the formation of monopolies.

The aerospace industry is not a good example of capitalism. What we have with Boeing is basically a government sanctioned monopoly. It’s basically a weak form of nationalization, without the stigma.

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Post by jdksmdbtbdnmsm »

halJordan wrote: post #319
malfist wrote: post #263

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Monopolies are the end goal of capitalism

Monopolies are broken by capitalism just as much as they're created by capitalism. The whole "end-stage capitalism" schtick is wrong because a free market will lead to the ossification and then breakdown of a monopolist. You just have to finish spring semester of Econ101 to find out how.

>Monopolies are broken by capitalism just as much as they're created by capitalism.

Source?

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