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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

alphanumeric0 wrote: post #367

I've been following this story for a bit. I'm traveling to Mexico soon and the last leg is on a 737 MAX 9. I'm looking into contacting Aeromexico to see about changing flights to a different airplane.

Is that a good idea? I always feel like the best time to fly a plane or airliner is after they've had some incident that leads them to being under a microscope.

That is, all the MAX 9s have been grounded, and I'm guessing they'll all be thoroughly inspected for this issue before they fly again. So if your concern is that you'll hit a repeat of this same issue, that seems like the wrong concern.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by g9yuayon »

throw0101d wrote: post #29

Good book describing the cultural change from engineering-focus to business-focus of Boeing: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55994102-flying-blind * https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646497/flying-blind...

A friend of mine works in Boeing as a data scientist. His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. They spend their days creating processes, managing tickets, enforcing specific formats of tickets and stories and what not. Yet, none of the eight knew how to write product specs nor could be bothered with basic things like understanding how git works.

I have a hard time imagining how Boeing could survive in the long run with this level of bureaucracy.

Edit: Saw the summary of the book Flying Blind: "A fast-paced look at the corporate dysfunction--the ruthless cost-cutting, toxic workplaces, and cutthroat management--that contributed to one of the worst tragedies in modern aviation". One has to ask: where did the cost cutting go? What's cutting throat? It looks to me that the management of Boeing is grossly incompetent.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by AdrianB1 »

lostlogin wrote: post #241
AdrianB1 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is correct. However MDD was manufacturing key military products (F-15, F-18) and it was doing bad financially, going bankrupt and jeopardizing the fighter plane production and maintenance was a "national security" problem that forced the Boeing acquisition of MDD.

How was MDD going bankrupt Boeings problem? If it’s a national security issue, that’s the governments problem to fix, surely?

They both acted in the same area. In case an important company is going under, you can merge it into a similar company to keep it running.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

halJordan wrote: post #332
nharada wrote: post #50

Juan Browne's YouTube channel posts about basically every aviation accident, and as usual he somehow already has a video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9EvHpf8jZg

The chick's tiktok went viral immediately. And fast followers were already posting tiktoks with pictures of the actual plane, breakdowns of how door plugs are made, etc. You just have to go where the content is. Reuters has been sending journalists across the world for over 100 years. You just have to dl tiktok.

Screw TikTok. It's a cesspool of shit, compounded by its idiotic aspect ratio.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by kazen44 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #137
intunderflow wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FAA will never ban it because politically its untenable in the US, the only thing that could kill the Max off would be if another big regulator such as EASA refused to let the Max into their airspace.

And EASA, which is also politically controlled, will not do it because the US government pressure.

it works the same way the other way around no? airbus planes are still flying in the US even though they are currently eating boeing's lunch.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by Miraste »

Erratic6576 wrote: post #298
Miraste wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two of those are manufacturing mistakes, and it seems likely the door one is as well. Not that that helps the passengers, but they're not systemic design flaws. That anti-icing system is deranged, though. They effectively installed a timed detonator on the engines and want a safety exemption for it.

So not only the design quality is flawed but also the manufacturing process is botched up. That’s reassuring, I guess, because two kind of flaws cancel each other out

Sure they do. At this rate the planes will stop working well enough to take off, eliminating accidents forever.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #401
alphanumeric0 wrote: post #367

I've been following this story for a bit. I'm traveling to Mexico soon and the last leg is on a 737 MAX 9. I'm looking into contacting Aeromexico to see about changing flights to a different airplane.

Is that a good idea? I always feel like the best time to fly a plane or airliner is after they've had some incident that leads them to being under a microscope. That is, all the MAX 9s have been grounded, and I'm guessing they'll all be thoroughly inspected for this issue before they fly again. So if your concern is that you'll hit a repeat of this same issue , that seems like the wrong concern.

There's also the engine-nacelles-melting issue.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by AdrianB1 »

times_trw wrote: post #154
AdrianB1 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is correct. However MDD was manufacturing key military products (F-15, F-18) and it was doing bad financially, going bankrupt and jeopardizing the fighter plane production and maintenance was a "national security" problem that forced the Boeing acquisition of MDD.

Well now we can add all the planes Boeing manufactures to the list of things which the inevitable bankruptcy will jeopardise.

All the manufacturers of key pieces of military advanced weapons are on that list. Fighter jets are on the very top. When corporate America is now more about "business" than engineering, making a good plane is very expensive. It's just business :|

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by coliveira »

elsonrodriguez wrote: post #347

The whole point of this aircraft is to avoid modern safety regulations.

Exactly. This plane was created as a modernization of a several decades old design clearly just to be easily approved without major scrutiny by the FAA. There are many bad decisions made to create this plane that we don't even know yet.
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