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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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AOL

Didn't AOL buy Netscape? There's a long list of companies that died by being acquired into a bad culture. OP is talking about the opposite: an acquisition so toxic it rots the parent company.

Netscape died because browser became a utility in the OS.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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After the unfortunate incident in Japan this week, the Boeing 787, a plane designed in the 2000s and flying since 2013, is now the only passenger airliner without a hull loss. So they are clearly capable of producing modern safe airliners post merger.

There was an engineer who got fired for worrying publicly about the fire safety of the carbon fiber hulls during the 787 leadup. It turned out I worked in the same building he had, and I found his old office. Word is after he left they locked it up, like a crime scene. I think they were worried his whistleblowing would turn to leaks and I guess they thought his office would have some sort of evidence? It was an inter…

From the looks of it the composite fuselage of the A350 did its job splendidly, it held out against the fire long enough for everyone to evacuate, only flashing over after >20 minutes.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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How to avoid the 737 Max? Fly only airlines that don’t have it. Luckily there are still a few around in Europe. Since the two fatal crashes I have avoided doing flights with 737s.

Just about every airline I’ve ever flown lets you see what kind of aircraft they’re using for the flight you book. It’s pretty easy to avoid flying on a 737 max if you want.

1. Go to Google Flights[1], pick your search options, click Explore

2. On search results[2], find the Departing flight you want

3. On the right-hand side of the flight summary, click the Down arrow ( \/ )

4. In the drop-down description, below each flight leg is the plane description and flight number.

5. Confirm all planes used for legs of both departing and returning flights.

First flight listed:

  Departure:
    SYR to CLT: American Economy  Airbus A320     AA 1739
    CLT to SFO: American Economy  Airbus A321neo  AA 1580

  *Select departure to see return flights*
  
  Return:
    SFO to DFW: American Economy  Airbus A321neo  AA 2504
    DFW to SYR: American Economy  Airbus A320     AA 421
Looking through different options, I can see a United flight that connects from SYR to EWR that uses a Boeing 737 MAX 9 Passenger (UA1513). So I'm not picking that flight.

You can also find plane information at time of purchase, at least from the airline's website. I highly recommend booking direct at the airline's website, as [in the US] by law you have a 24 hour window to cancel your reservation with no cancellation fee.

[1] https://google.com/flights [2] https://www.google.com/travel/flights/search?tfs=CBwQAhoeEgo...

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Boeing is late stage MBA. Intel is mid-stage MBA. Google/Alphabet is early stage MBA.

This seems basically right and there is no known cure save bringing back a founder (Jobs & Apple).

Microsoft seems to be "coming back" by essentially becoming an umbrella company, much like how all food manufacturers consolidated and are basically a couple of mega umbrella companies

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I’ve heard variations on this story a few times, successful company swallows failing company and gets infected by failing-culture. Isn’t that what happened to Netscape?

Who poisoned Netscape?

Collabra, per jwz. See "groupware bad" (not direct linking in case he still has the referer block up).

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I've heard that when they merged with McDonnell Douglas their new (McDonnell) management pushed out the good engineering culture and dropped their quality standards in a chase for more profit, leading to engineering experiencing the dead sea effect.

in other words: capitalism, the system we've designed our whole society around

Any system where management incentives are not aligned with end-user incentives. So all of them really.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Ways in which you can experience an unexpected cabin decompression to the next world...Or join the mile-high never-come-back club, on a Boeing 737 MAX... 1- Loose bolts: "Boeing Urges Airlines to Check for Loose Bolt in newer 737 MAX Aircraft" - https://www.european-views.com/2023/12/boeing-urges-airlines... 2- Leave the anti-icing system on for more than 5 min after non-icing conditions: "Boeing still hasn't fixed t…

Two of those are manufacturing mistakes, and it seems likely the door one is as well. Not that that helps the passengers, but they're not systemic design flaws. That anti-icing system is deranged, though. They effectively installed a timed detonator on the engines and want a safety exemption for it.

So not only the design quality is flawed but also the manufacturing process is botched up. That’s reassuring, I guess, because two kind of flaws cancel each other out

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Ways in which you can experience an unexpected cabin decompression to the next world...Or join the mile-high never-come-back club, on a Boeing 737 MAX... 1- Loose bolts: "Boeing Urges Airlines to Check for Loose Bolt in newer 737 MAX Aircraft" - https://www.european-views.com/2023/12/boeing-urges-airlines... 2- Leave the anti-icing system on for more than 5 min after non-icing conditions: "Boeing still hasn't fixed t…

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