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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by windowsrookie » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:53 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #87

s5300 wrote: post #5

I’d at first read the plane was without passengers and just being flown somewhere… and I thought, great. Today I read that it was full of passengers, and the two people supposed to be in the two seats in the row the panel blew out happened to miss their flight. If that’s true… what an interesting set of statistics coming together. Amount of people that sleep through flights Amount of panels that blow out of passenger…

The seat is still there, firmly attached to the plane. In all likelihood a passenger in that seat, if they were wearing their seat belt (as they should have, it wasn't at cruising altitude, and you should wear your seat belt anyway when seated), would have been severely frightened and annoyed, but probably uninjured. Maybe some hearing loss.

Although I'm not an aerospace engineer, Airplane seats only have a a simple lap-belt, are rarely adjusted to the proper tightness, and are designed to accommodate all body sizes. I could certainly imagine a lap-belt not being adequate to keep a small child from getting sucked out of the seat.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by jdksmdbtbdnmsm » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:54 PM UTC

crisdux wrote: post #230

jdksmdbtbdnmsm wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in other words: capitalism, the system we've designed our whole society around

No, this isn't a well-functioning capitalist system. Competition is a core principle of capitalism. What occurred in the aerospace industry represents a government-sanctioned monopoly.

>Competition is a core principle of capitalism

Capitalism is literally defined by the ability to invest capital to accumulate more of it by way of profit. The logical end of this process is straightforwardly monopoly.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by malfist » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:54 PM UTC

crisdux wrote: post #230

jdksmdbtbdnmsm wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in other words: capitalism, the system we've designed our whole society around

No, this isn't a well-functioning capitalist system. Competition is a core principle of capitalism. What occurred in the aerospace industry represents a government-sanctioned monopoly.

Monopolies are the end goal of capitalism

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by 0xbadcafebee » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

Window and wall flew off mid flight?

Yeah, I'm not flying on a Boeing 737 Max 9 ever again.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by sharkweek » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

I’m sitting in Mexico City about to board a Boeing Max 737 (fortunately, I guess, an 8) back to the US.

If I am to be randomly thrust upon the afternoon sky against my will, please distribute all my HN karma to my extended family.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by jcadam » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

tiahura wrote: post #96

travisgriggs wrote: post #75

At what point does Boeing just scrap the 9s? Completely, for good? It’s all starting to feel like the galaxy note, where you pass a tipping point of no return with public perception.

Because some guy at the factory forgot to lock the door? Isn't that a little melodramatic?

Apparently the door was permanently plugged, as Alaska Airlines didn't order the airplane with that optional door in place. So... turns out it wasn't so permanent - and definitely an issue with Boeing rather than the airline.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by Symbiote » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #187

brewdad wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another good reason to keep that seat belt fastened even when the sign is off.

The light only means that having it fastened is mandatory. There are many reasons to keep it on during the entire flight, the most common of which is turbulence.

In Europe that's what seems to be a standard announcement. "The captain has switched off the fasten seatbelt sign, but we recommend you keep your seatbelt fastened at all times when seated, in case of sudden turbulence."

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by charles_f » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:56 PM UTC

travisgriggs wrote: post #75

At what point does Boeing just scrap the 9s? Completely, for good? It’s all starting to feel like the galaxy note, where you pass a tipping point of no return with public perception.

Why the 9? Both crashes were on 8s.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by theYipster » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:56 PM UTC

whycome wrote: post #128

Xorlev wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that? I'm not denying it, just curious to read more.

cursory search: > Preliminary information about the accident remains scarce, though two people familiar with the aircraft tell The Air Current that the aircraft in question, N704AL, had presented spurious indications of pressurization issues during two instances on January 4. The first intermittent warning light appeared during taxi-in following a previous flight, which prompted the airline to remove the aircraft fro…

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