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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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The plane that had the issue was new, so I guess they want to make sure it wasn't an issue with other planes off the line maybe? Sure is a good thing nobody was sitting in that seat.

Another good reason to keep that seat belt fastened even when the sign is off.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least Airbus seems to be competent in building safe aircraft. Prior to new models released in the last ~10yrs-ish, Boeing made the safest planes in the sky (as measured by passenger miles). Many of those planes are still flying and still doing great. For me the interesting question is what changed in Boeing's design, testing and/or manufacturing processes which is apparently resulting in worse safety performance…

I've heard that when they merged with McDonnell Douglas their new (McDonnell) management pushed out the good engineering culture and dropped their quality standards in a chase for more profit, leading to engineering experiencing the dead sea effect.

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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One troubling aspect of this is that it appears Alaska had reason to believe something was wrong with this plane but basically ignored it. They were getting pressurization warnings on prior flights, but the only action they took was restricting the plane from flying ETOPS routes. They're the dominant carrier in my area, so these sorts of screwups make me nervous. I can't easily avoid using them without a fair amount…

Do you have a source for that? I'm not denying it, just curious to read more.

It will come out in the NTSB report, if it's true. Though that will take quite a bit of time.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard variations on this story a few times, successful company swallows failing company and gets infected by failing-culture. Isn’t that what happened to Netscape?

Who poisoned Netscape?

AOL

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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When did they ground it? I'm looking at the tail number on FlightAware and it's on a scheduled flight to SEA since 9am.

I can only assume major hubs have already completed inspection, because a buddy of mine flew out of Seattle on a 737 Max9 this morning. Guess I assumed inspections took longer than half a day

Supposedly the flaw exists on a section where a “false door” exists for future alterations to the exit points. Perhaps not all of their planes were built with this feature. Nothing to inspect in that case.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #106

One troubling aspect of this is that it appears Alaska had reason to believe something was wrong with this plane but basically ignored it. They were getting pressurization warnings on prior flights, but the only action they took was restricting the plane from flying ETOPS routes. They're the dominant carrier in my area, so these sorts of screwups make me nervous. I can't easily avoid using them without a fair amount…

Do you have a source for that? I'm not denying it, just curious to read more.

cursory search:

> Preliminary information about the accident remains scarce, though two people familiar with the aircraft tell The Air Current that the aircraft in question, N704AL, had presented spurious indications of pressurization issues during two instances on January 4. The first intermittent warning light appeared during taxi-in following a previous flight, which prompted the airline to remove the aircraft from extended range operations (ETOPS) per maintenance rules. The light appeared again later the same day in flight, the people said.

https://theaircurrent.com/feed/dispatches/alaska-737-max-9-t...

No idea about the accuracy of the site. And it seems like they have some script that prevents text highlighting for whatever reason (turn off Javascript).

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who poisoned Netscape?

AOL

Didn't AOL buy Netscape?

There's a long list of companies that died by being acquired into a bad culture. OP is talking about the opposite: an acquisition so toxic it rots the parent company.

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