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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Is there any place to get the full list of tail numbers involved in the grounding? I just flew on an Alaska 737 Max 9 out of PDX a few days ago and am morbidly curious if my plane was one of the ones grounded.

Alaska grounded their whole fleet of Max 9s before the FAA ordered it for everyone else. So yes. It was grounded.

When did they ground it? I'm looking at the tail number on FlightAware and it's on a scheduled flight to SEA since 9am.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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>The FAA said the inspections will take between four and eight hours per plane. Seems reasonable. I was wondering if a single event should really be enough to "ground" all similar planes, but seems like they just want to do a quick inspection.

Of course it should. This is a manufacturing defect that could easily have sucked someone out the plane or dropped debris on someone’s head. Should it happen during cruise over water the consequences could be much worse.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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At the very least we should have a corporate death penalty. Force the company into bankruptcy, de-list it from the stock market, and turn it into a worker-owned co-op that can never be publicly traded or be sold to private equity.

Yes I feel this needs to hit the shareholders hard. But they'll just continue to cut costs to get the value back up and we'll be back here in a couple of years. It needs deep institutional changes and I can't see that happening.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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This is sort of ironic because they asked to bypass some safety checks on the 737 max 7 recently. Note this is a different model. EDIT: The bypass is about the deicer. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...

Does it have the same manufacturing process? It wasn't anything specific to the plane's model, it was the fact that it was a manufacturing defect that caused the door to blow out.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Boeing is what happens when an engineering focused company gets taken over by MBAs. When it happens to a webtech company we call it enshitification. When it happens to a transportation company lives are actually at risk. Sadly Boeing is important enough to DC that they seem to be allowed to casually risk American lives.

Boeing is late stage MBA.

Intel is mid-stage MBA.

Google/Alphabet is early stage MBA.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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At the very least we should have a corporate death penalty. Force the company into bankruptcy, de-list it from the stock market, and turn it into a worker-owned co-op that can never be publicly traded or be sold to private equity.

Even if we had it politicians would rush to protect Boeing. It’s too critical a partner for many large national defense projects.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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At least Airbus seems to be competent in building safe aircraft. I would not be surprised though if Boeing's sales drop if the US government brings in tariffs or etc to try and force companies to buy their flying coffins.

> At least Airbus seems to be competent in building safe aircraft. Prior to new models released in the last ~10yrs-ish, Boeing made the safest planes in the sky (as measured by passenger miles). Many of those planes are still flying and still doing great. For me the interesting question is what changed in Boeing's design, testing and/or manufacturing processes which is apparently resulting in worse safety performance…

Some corporate history https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21304277

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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At least Airbus seems to be competent in building safe aircraft. I would not be surprised though if Boeing's sales drop if the US government brings in tariffs or etc to try and force companies to buy their flying coffins.

> At least Airbus seems to be competent in building safe aircraft. Prior to new models released in the last ~10yrs-ish, Boeing made the safest planes in the sky (as measured by passenger miles). Many of those planes are still flying and still doing great. For me the interesting question is what changed in Boeing's design, testing and/or manufacturing processes which is apparently resulting in worse safety performance…

I've heard that when they merged with McDonnell Douglas their new (McDonnell) management pushed out the good engineering culture and dropped their quality standards in a chase for more profit, leading to engineering experiencing the dead sea effect.
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