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Inattentive Behavior in Boys with ADHD During Classroom Instruction [pdf]

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

In my experience, it is as often a specific set of genetic traits exposed to a specific set of narcissistic abuse and environmental stressors.

It’s why it tends to show up in early childhood, and ‘get better’ as they get older and learn how to defend themselves and avoid the destructive people and environments that are gaslighting them into doing things that are decompensating for them (actually, for everyone - which is why normal people are often not in those environments). Or not, if they aren’t allowed to leave.

It’s also why the medication ‘stops working’ sometimes - the problem folks in the environment ramp up the abuse until the target is back in the confused/can’t remember what is going on state where they can be controlled.

When in an actually good environment, and directed in a way that they can/will do the things they need to do to take care of themselves appropriately, all of the memory issues, emotional regulation issues, etc. become quite manageable or even disappear. There is often a lot of PTSD though, which requires special help.

The challenge is that when abuse and destruction is present (but ‘not allowed to be seen’) from an early age, people develop protective blind spots for it.

It’s normal and ‘not abuse’, near as they can tell. And narcissistic abuse is all about not being seen - at least by anyone who can or will do anything about it.

And if it’s a parent doing it, seeing it requires rejecting a caregiver and role model - not an easy or often safe thing to do.

Depending on how long it was ongoing though, it could be years or decades to recover.

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

> ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware.

Has that been established? This says causes are uncertain: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/attention-deficit-hyperactivit...

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

Can also be malfunctioning hardware. Can even be externally induced. Transient bouts of attention deficit with perfectly normal MRI would indicate that something else is happening.

An MRI cannot diagnose ADHD in an individual. MRI's can see trends and variations in brains of large populations. For example, an MRI of 1,000 people with ADHD might show a different sized compared to 1,000 people without ADHD.

However, a single person could have the same size as the average of 1,000 ADHD people and still not have ADHD, and a person could not have a significantly different sized and have ADHD.

To date, there is not a single biological marker nor empirical test that can be used to diagnose ADHD beyond a reasonable doubt.

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FSIQ was a bad way of identifying the cohort. They should break it up into GAI, WMI, and PSI instead since the key indications of cognitive capacity are in GAI and the WMI and PSI just show the area of deficit. I.E. a 104 FSIQ may be the same as a 110 FSIQ for neurotypical since the WMI and PSI are probably 1/2 to 1 standard deviation below the mean for the ADHD cohort. I know several gifted students with an FSIQ of…

What you are describing is similar to how I was diagnosed.

I took the WAIS-IV and was told that I do not "technically" have an IQ since I have ADHD and the tests are not designed nor calibrated to measure intelligence in populations other than neurotypicals. Doesn't mean I cannot be given a score, just that it's not technically "accurate."

I am quite dubious of IQ testing to begin with. But for the sake of adding to your comment, I had 2.5 standard deviations between some of my scores. I was significantly stronger in my VCI and PRI than my WMI and PSI.

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

ADHD is not a memory issue. The memory issues are secondary.

Ever seen someone with ADHD fixated on something? Memory is not a problem within that topic.

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I have ADHD but growing up we didn't know that. I threw a lot of tantrums and was yelled at until I cried almost every day. I was grounded for months on end, which is now considered child abuse. In my house yelling was the norm.

My mom decided I must have bipolar disorder just like my grandmother. At age 10 I was put on psychiatric drugs and that persisted for over 20 years. Any time I exhibited any intense emotion I would get yelled at and then it would probably trigger a fight.

As an adult I began to describe my experiences in my own words and doctors quickly undiagnosed me. 2 decades of doctors appointments, drugs, emotional abuse, dismissal, confusion.

There is no moral to this story.

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

In my experience, it is as often a specific set of genetic traits exposed to a specific set of narcissistic abuse and environmental stressors. It’s why it tends to show up in early childhood, and ‘get better’ as they get older and learn how to defend themselves and avoid the destructive people and environments that are gaslighting them into doing things that are decompensating for them (actually, for everyone - which…

I concur completely with all lazide has written, and they'd get two upvotes if I had them.

Abuse and neglect in the home is often the genesis of childhood "mental illness" but the industry can do jack-all about the home life of children.

ADHD, bipolar, and PTSD are clusters of disparate symptoms, different with every child. They are chiefly the symptoms which annoy and inconvenience parents, caregivers, school teachers and administrators. Therefore, the drugging of children is oriented toward suppressing and/or eliminating these annoyances so that the people in authority can go about their business without having said authority challenged by uppity children who act out.

My niece was not yet in 8th grade before the Catholic school proposed to drug her as well, and I know full well what sorts of domestic troubles she had undergone throughout her short life. I pity the children who endure such things but can't escape them. What are we going to do, break up 60% of families because their parents suck and they are permanently damaging all their offspring?

It's tragic, and it's left me with the prospect of lifelong therapy to become normal, but there is healing and hope, and people do get better, despite the setbacks and damage caused by drugs, clinics, and hospitalization.

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

ADHD is not a memory issue. The memory issues are secondary. Ever seen someone with ADHD fixated on something? Memory is not a problem within that topic.

^^^ mate I can tell you a million facts about a million things as I've probably hyperfixated on something related to whatever your interested in at some point over the last 20 years.

But I still can't remember where I put my wallet, phone and keys.

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ADHD is a neurological impairment, less developed hardware. Less severe ADHD can be self managed and possibly even become a strength through learned self-discipline. People tend to think of ADHD as a focus issue. It’s more of a memory issue with corresponding compensation behaviors. Extreme ADHD is like watching the movie Memento, except the focal span is condensed from 5 minutes down to about 12-25 seconds and only…

I think research shows the most important genes are involved in producing dopamine. Two of the genes that have been found to be implicated most commonly are DAT1 and DRD4, although others are being discovered all the time.

This means that brain signals are not carried correctly, and the signals may be carried to the wrong part of the brain. This, in part, leads to the well known symptoms of ADHD afaik.

So memory definitely a secondary issue.

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