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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by obmelvin »

throwup238 wrote: post #41
snitty wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alaska grounded their whole fleet of Max 9s before the FAA ordered it for everyone else. So yes. It was grounded.

When did they ground it? I'm looking at the tail number on FlightAware and it's on a scheduled flight to SEA since 9am.

It seems like they grounded all of their 737 Max 9 fleet immediately after the incident. But apparently they have begun inspections and returned some of the fleet to service - https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1743668287106678866 and https://twitter.com/AlaskaAir/status/1743677307644944797

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by jaktet »

throwup238 wrote: post #41
snitty wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alaska grounded their whole fleet of Max 9s before the FAA ordered it for everyone else. So yes. It was grounded.

When did they ground it? I'm looking at the tail number on FlightAware and it's on a scheduled flight to SEA since 9am.

I can only assume major hubs have already completed inspection, because a buddy of mine flew out of Seattle on a 737 Max9 this morning. Guess I assumed inspections took longer than half a day

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Post by lokar »

vlovich123 wrote: post #47
avidphantasm wrote: post #31

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At the very least we should have a corporate death penalty. Force the company into bankruptcy, de-list it from the stock market, and turn it into a worker-owned co-op that can never be publicly traded or be sold to private equity.

Even if we had it politicians would rush to protect Boeing. It’s too critical a partner for many large national defense projects.

They should break the civil aviation business off into a new company.

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Post by icegreentea2 »

thecosmicfrog wrote: post #17
asylteltine wrote: post #11

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The A380 is the best plane ever made in the entirety of human history. It’s a damn shame it’s not used more. I’m hoping new fuel efficient engines make it viable again because there simply is NOTHING like first class on an A380.

It's interesting how so many people sounded the death knell on the A380 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Production of new A380s even ceased around this time. Now it seems demand for that size of aircraft is only increasing (at least for specific hub and spoke models).

A380s were scheduled to end production in 2021 even before COVID.

Airbus may have mistimed the A380 versus industry trends - though this is certainly up to debate and is still up in the air.

The first A380 deliveries were back in 2007, so the also had to eat the impact of the 09 financial crisis.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by robbiet480 »

throwup238 wrote: post #13

Is there any place to get the full list of tail numbers involved in the grounding? I just flew on an Alaska 737 Max 9 out of PDX a few days ago and am morbidly curious if my plane was one of the ones grounded.

United says all aircraft 7535 and above. 7501-7533 have already received inspections.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by pixl97 »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #34

This is sort of ironic because they asked to bypass some safety checks on the 737 max 7 recently. Note this is a different model. EDIT: The bypass is about the deicer. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...

Hacker news discussion

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38882358

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by KptMarchewa »

throw0101d wrote: post #64
wkat4242 wrote: post #56

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I watched a documentary on Netflix recently that alleged that a lot of this change came from importing McDonnell Douglas management into Boeing after the acquisition. I wonder if the book concurs on that, I don't have time to read it right now. If this is the case I wonder if it could be reversible.

Yes: the running joke is/was that McD bought Boeing with Boeing's money. * https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/how-boeing... * https://archive.is/q5pQV * https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merg... * https://simpleflying.com/mcdonnel-douglas-boeing-merger/ B was pressured to buy McD for 'national security' reasons. What would have been a better idea would have been, instead of doing…

You don't have to keep the management from the company you've bought.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by lokar »

xvector wrote: post #55
avidphantasm wrote: post #31

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At the very least we should have a corporate death penalty. Force the company into bankruptcy, de-list it from the stock market, and turn it into a worker-owned co-op that can never be publicly traded or be sold to private equity.

A death penalty for grossly negligent execs is also necessary. They'd get their shit together so fast if they faced meaningful consequences to their fuckups.

They should at least revoke financial liability protection for the members of the board.
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