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I think the idea is that it used to be Boeing didn't have these kinds of problems, they managed themselves and made safer airplanes. At least they appeared safer.
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> This is probably "just" a maintenance issue. > The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span of two months?
Well, this is my field so let's calm down for a sec and dispense with the hyperbole. The plane itself is not "fucked"; my understanding is the aircraft landed safely and nobody was injured. The door/window that departed the aircraft is a serious incident that will be investigated. There will be a report produced that identifies the root cause(s). >How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span o…
What strikes me with the ATC recording is that I can barely hear what they say (and that's the case with almost every ATC recording I heard before). And that's without being in a noisy environment (plane in flight). Is the quality really that bad? Doesn't that cause miscommunications? It seems like a fairly fixable problem in 2024.
The radios and antennas on both the aircraft and for ATC are not only of much higher quality but are also positioned as perfectly as possible so as to maximize Tx/Rx performance.
All that to say, the pilots and ATC nearly always experience more clear comms than the general public has access to.
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I retract nothing. The cause of that crash was pilot error. They ignored written procedure, and did not react to multiple serious warnings, including the master caution. Which is something you do not ignore. Also note this was still only an issue because the pilots ALSO refused to verify the position of the aft outflow valve. It was the combination of all these things. So no, there absolutely is not a "press this but…
You are simultaneously arguing that it's not possible to accidentally kill everyone by having a switch be in the wrong position, and also that when this actually happens in reality it shouldn't count because "that was pilot error". Yes, it was! Those pilots should totally have put that switch in the position that doesn't kill everyone! But they didn't, and then they got too hypoxic to fix it and now everyone's dead.…
It is possible for two switches, and multiple external factors including scandalous levels of procedural error by the Captain, First Officer, and maintenance technician to kill them.
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Well, this is my field so let's calm down for a sec and dispense with the hyperbole. The plane itself is not "fucked"; my understanding is the aircraft landed safely and nobody was injured. The door/window that departed the aircraft is a serious incident that will be investigated. There will be a report produced that identifies the root cause(s). >How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span o…
Frothing at the mouth is exactly what is called for here. A plane that loses a big chunk is indeed “fucked”, the only reason someone didn’t die is that that particular seat wasn’t occupied. There should have been many many redundant safety systems and procedures here with either didn’t exist or failed. People should be out for blood because there are obviously serious problems at both Boeing and the FAA. This was not…
Do you think it's only Boeing itself doing aircraft service? It's not.
Is the FAA going to drag their feet again grounding this plane until the problem is root caused?
I’d be willing to bet all planes built in the last year or so will be grounded immediately. As for others, possibly if they determine the issue is long standing and we’ve just been lucky.
http://web.archive.org/web/20240106075153/https://news.alask...
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I’m suspicious of this comment. Especially since this article was directly above this one on HN for awhile today: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...
I'm an aerospace engineer, this is my field. It makes no sense to call for heads to roll without even knowing the root cause. If this happens again on a different airframe, I'll change my tune in a hurry.
How long have you been in the field? How are you not aware of what engineers in and around Boeing have been saying about company culture for literally decades? How many Stonecipher stories have you heard? Enough with the swaggering appeal to authority.
Is the FAA going to drag their feet again grounding this plane until the problem is root caused?
Or maybe, just maybe, this is 1,000x more likely to be a maintenance issue than it is a faulty design.
If there were a genuine, ongoing safety issue worth worrying about pilots would stop flying them. People seem to entirely forget that the crew up in the cockpit are humans with an interest in self-preservation.
> The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. It’s 2 months old, so poor maintenance, wear and tear, etc are not even minor factors. This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. And that’s even before we get into some of the design issues, both the shortcuts they’ve taken and ones that are m…
Maybe if Boeing, you know, lobby to lower these safety restrictions then those pesky quality control checks will reduce and somehow everything will just work out just fine [1].
Seriously though, as a brand new, fresh off the production line 737 this kind of event should be so rare as to be nearly impossible.
[1] - https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...