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Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Last month, I consciously chose a flight from the same airline that used an Airbus plane over a Boeing plane.

I wonder if airlines have data showing that their Airbus flights are more popular than Boeing flights after adjusting differences.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you should retract: > Also, there isn't a "if you forget this everyone suffocates" button. (Also note that the pilots did not move the pressurization system out of AUTO; you are blaming them for not discovering that a ground engineer had done so, mostly while they fought hypoxia.)

I retract nothing. The cause of that crash was pilot error. They ignored written procedure, and did not react to multiple serious warnings, including the master caution. Which is something you do not ignore. Also note this was still only an issue because the pilots ALSO refused to verify the position of the aft outflow valve. It was the combination of all these things. So no, there absolutely is not a "press this but…

You are simultaneously arguing that it's not possible to accidentally kill everyone by having a switch be in the wrong position, and also that when this actually happens in reality it shouldn't count because "that was pilot error".

Yes, it was! Those pilots should totally have put that switch in the position that doesn't kill everyone! But they didn't, and then they got too hypoxic to fix it and now everyone's dead. It's almost like there's a switch that it's a really bad idea for pilots to forget about..

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

#74

Last month, I consciously chose a flight from the same airline that used an Airbus plane over a Boeing plane. I wonder if airlines have data showing that their Airbus flights are more popular than Boeing flights after adjusting differences.

I absolutely refuse to book any flight with a MAX aircraft.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

#75

> The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. It’s 2 months old, so poor maintenance, wear and tear, etc are not even minor factors. This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. And that’s even before we get into some of the design issues, both the shortcuts they’ve taken and ones that are m…

It's not even an operable door.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

#76

Last month, I consciously chose a flight from the same airline that used an Airbus plane over a Boeing plane. I wonder if airlines have data showing that their Airbus flights are more popular than Boeing flights after adjusting differences.

I know myself and a couple other people who do the same, would be fascinating to see if it's common enough to show up in statistics.

It's not even just the safety, the Boeing Dreamliner for example is shockingly uncomfortable to fly in.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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post #74

Last month, I consciously chose a flight from the same airline that used an Airbus plane over a Boeing plane. I wonder if airlines have data showing that their Airbus flights are more popular than Boeing flights after adjusting differences.

I absolutely refuse to book any flight with a MAX aircraft.

I chose a flight using an Airbus 350 over a 787.

I remember reading an article about how some Boeing employees are surprised the 787 planes don’t have more issues because their warnings about quality issues are ignored.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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post #70

> Alaska flight 1282 left Portland just after 5pm local time on Friday when an emergency door blew out at 16,000 feet. If this happened at cruising altitude with a higher pressure differential, would the plane survive? (I know generally the door won't open at that altitude since they open inward, but I assume the same forces wouldn't do anything to prevent a window blowout)

Southwest Airlines Flight 1380's window was broken at 32,000 feet, the plane survived but one passenger was sucked part way out the broken window and died of her injuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/falling-through-the-crac...

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

#79

> The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. It’s 2 months old, so poor maintenance, wear and tear, etc are not even minor factors. This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. And that’s even before we get into some of the design issues, both the shortcuts they’ve taken and ones that are m…

Was it made at the plant in North Carolina? Or in Seattle?
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