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Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by junofan »

anonzzzies wrote: post #79

A lot of countries (like NL, ES, PT, BE,…) have state owned APIs which have a central login (with 2FA) could easily just return yep or nay when asked; is this person over 18. Without violating privacy by the porn site and not anymore violating at least than the gov site already does or doesn’t in your opinion. The site wouldn’t have to know anything about who you are; it would work like 3dsecure. I am not for it but…

What you’re describing is an automated system for the government to control information shared between two private parties. We don’t have that here.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by kelseyfrog »

JohnMakin wrote: post #50
elcritch wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes parents should restrict their kids devices and keep an eye smart device usage generally IMHO. However, doing so well is not easy. There’s so many work arounds unless you severely limit device functionality. For example, at least a few years back it was basically impossible to enforce DNS based filtering on iOS devices much less other more invasive setups.

There is a very basic iphone setting that restricts adult content from a huge list of sites plus any other sites you want to add to it. This tech has been around for decades.

That's great, but my kids have source code access on their devices.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by Erratic6576 »

throwaway8877 wrote: post #11

If every person can be identified uniquely and mapped to a real person, and this is what age verification will come down to, then each of us can be fed with different kind of bullshit, our thoughts can be even more easily manipulated systematically. That is the price to pay.

We can also get automated real life punishments if our opinions threaten the perfection of our state quo

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by andreareina »

anonzzzies wrote: post #79

A lot of countries (like NL, ES, PT, BE,…) have state owned APIs which have a central login (with 2FA) could easily just return yep or nay when asked; is this person over 18. Without violating privacy by the porn site and not anymore violating at least than the gov site already does or doesn’t in your opinion. The site wouldn’t have to know anything about who you are; it would work like 3dsecure. I am not for it but…

So now the government knows you're visiting this particular site.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by anonzzzies »

andreareina wrote: post #84
anonzzzies wrote: post #79

A lot of countries (like NL, ES, PT, BE,…) have state owned APIs which have a central login (with 2FA) could easily just return yep or nay when asked; is this person over 18. Without violating privacy by the porn site and not anymore violating at least than the gov site already does or doesn’t in your opinion. The site wouldn’t have to know anything about who you are; it would work like 3dsecure. I am not for it but…

So now the government knows you're visiting this particular site.

Yeah, like said, i'm not for it, but it beats, as far as i'm concerned, uploading your id + some camera to every 3rdparty that 'needs verification'. I don't mistrust my gov (as much as I do porn site owners, marketers etc), if I did, I would (and will if it ever gets there) move.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by huytersd »

JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

No. That’s not a reasonable expectation. You can’t bombard children with insane content all the time and expect parents to continuously hover and prevent them from looking at it. There is not enough time in a day and makes parents the bad guys in a million different households.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by huytersd »

dmm wrote: post #8
JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

> any device a child has access to. That's not the world we live in today. Stores local to me will sell a (terrible but internet capable) phone for $35 to anyone. So you are proposing moving the age verification to the device purchasing stage?

Yes, children under 18 should not have access to a smart phone or social media.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by huytersd »

whythre wrote: post #75
phantom784 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, a minor could use their friends' devices. Their parents may not have set up any controls on those devices.

If that is the worry, then bad influences won’t be stopped by some shitty internet-wide age verification. Teens can bully each other with their cameras, or words. If their peers are the problem, no amount of government playing internet cop will help.

No smart phone and no social media for kids society wide and we go back to good old fashioned bullying in person. That’s much easier to curtail.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by huytersd »

anonzzzies wrote: post #76
gary_0 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a VPN bypasses these age-verification restrictions some states are adding. And kids find ways of buying alcohol too (when I was in high school eons ago, just about everyone was underage drinking, and a lot of my friends had porno mags too). Fortunately, most democratic countries will be constitutionally prevented from enacting full-blown police states to stop kids from doing naughty things. Hopefully.

Most of the my friends when I was a high school kid in the 80s had access to porn, alcohol, weed and were having sex under 18. All not allowed by their/my parents, but no ended up even remotely bad or damaged. It’s just growing up.

But did they have access to 24/7 always on social media shaming and bullying?

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by huytersd »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #61
o11c wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, but unironically. ... though it probably shouldn't use the same age cutoff as beer. 18 or even 15 would be better. The downside is that - even with mild enforcement - fast food would get even more expensive for people who buy the cheap items which are currently subsidized by drinks.

Where does it stop next? Government telling us that we can't have our small piece of chocolate until we eat all our veggies and Mediterranean menu diet guide?

Sounds delicious.
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