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Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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That symbol represents an alternative and indicates the function of the key. Its used on Apple computers. IE: alt

Ah, so it is maybe graphically similar to the double-throw switch schematic symbol. https://wiringengineabt.z19.web.core.windows.net/double-pole...

Or a railroad switch.

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The responses here feel a little jaded to me. I'm not a fan of the corporate-driven nature of the change, but I do think "could we do something more useful with the menu key?" is a fair question and the answer is almost certainly yes. AI has limitations and yada yada but use cases for the Menu key seem slim, and I'd get more mileage out of an "answer a stupid question where I'm okay with a probability of it being rig…

> "could we do something more useful with the menu key?"

I think the answer is "open PowerToys Run"

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> It's the only thing they have that offers a prayer of beating Google at something I'm guessing their office suite offerings (hosted and desktop) dwarf anything that Google has.

Yeah, I clarified the post to indicate what I actually meant (Bing.) They would really, really like you to use Bing for search instead of Google. Until the OpenAI partnership started to bear fruit, they had no way to get their foot in that particular door. Now that they do, they will never let us forget it.

From what I’ve seen the AI gimmick has resulted in almost no new market share for Bing. I downloaded it myself and used it a couple of times but the app was buggy on iOS and I can just use ChatGPT for the generative features. I imagine many others felt the same

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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> Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards To point out the obvious, no, it won't. Microsoft does not define what a PC is. Sure, they can make up whatever fanciful hardware requirements for their own operating system that they want to, and they can force whatever absurdities they want into contracts with manufacturers. But I guarantee my PC will not have a keyboard with this key.

> But I guarantee my PC will not have a keyboard with this key. The article is misleading and if you click on the actual video (I linked in my main comment) they're just replacing a keycap and doing a remap. Layout is the same. So... technically your PC will probably have this key, just not the printed icon on it.

I suspect that whatever PC I have in 20 years will still have an IBM Model M keyboard attached via whatever weird combination of dongles it requires to make this true.

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I'm not a huge fan it has a Windows logo printed on it, but there are good usability reasons for the key, even on non-Windows systems, and there was just a big hunk of empty space between Ctrl and Alt before. So nothing is really lost for non-Windows users. It seems to me there are more pressing matters to get angry about than the logo on a keyboard. And whether we like or not not, Windows is the dominant desktop OS,…

I use my windows keyboard on a mac, if that key wasn’t there then I’d have to get a dedicated Mac keyboard.

I'm not suggesting removing the key, merely that every OEM who dares to ship windows being required to place a 3rd party key is myopic.

It can even make the laptops/PC's look dated if the OS logo changes.. which has happened.

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Also they added a Cortana key a few years ago. It must be in the press release because other media sites are reporting the same thing. Also Microsoft did not invent the Super/Meta key aka Windows key.

> Also Microsoft did not invent the Super/Meta key aka Windows key AFAIK the Windows key generates a CTRL + ESC - so not a modifier key like Super/Meta.

This doesn't seem to match what I sparsely remember about USB HID; At least on my computers I remember Super generating SUPER_L (wayland) or VK_LWIN (w32) - E0 5B scancodes.

At least on Linux you can have bindings CTRL + ESC and SUPER_L be different things if you want.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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The responses here feel a little jaded to me. I'm not a fan of the corporate-driven nature of the change, but I do think "could we do something more useful with the menu key?" is a fair question and the answer is almost certainly yes. AI has limitations and yada yada but use cases for the Menu key seem slim, and I'd get more mileage out of an "answer a stupid question where I'm okay with a probability of it being rig…

> "could we do something more useful with the menu key?" I think the answer is "open PowerToys Run"

Ooh, I've never seen that before. That would make perfect sense; I'd probably use it more than the AI. The current keycaps even still make sense.

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And an Apple key on a bunch of others.

It hasn't been an "Apple key" since 2010 or so. On all recent machines, it's just labeled as "Command", with the ⌘ symbol.

Ah yes, the well-known U+2318 Place of Interest Sign :D

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Tangentially: The reason Windows is more popular than Linux is because of momentum / existing familiarity and because Microsoft employees are paid to do the annoying work needed to finish that last 5% of the user experience. As we approach the entire OS being accessible and controllable through a voice interface / LLM, well, that's pretty fun and sexy and is something that open source contributors are more willing to…

> The reason Windows is more popular than Linux

The reason Windows is more popular than Linux is the mountain of software and device drivers developed for it.

Which I realize is chicken-and-egg, but also...it's a really big chicken.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Translation: Someone at Microsoft is already getting very, very worried about the return on all this investment they've put into generative AI.

And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can. We all know exactly what's causing this, and we all know exactly how it'll turn out. How do we collectively tell them to knock it off? The industry needs some mechanism to stage an intervention, perhaps once they've cooled down a little from their present mania.

>And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can.

From my understanding, Bing hasn't stolen any marketshare from Google since integrating ChatGPT. I think this could.

Pressing a key is easier than typing in Google.

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