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Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by mananaysiempre »

UtopiaPunk wrote: post #126
Arainach wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, customers are part of the hype feedback loop. I have seen actual conversations with non-tech workers that boil down to "when we ask these people what they want AI to do, they say they don't know, but boy do they get excited every time we mention adding AI"

Are customers really asking for AI soda flavors, tho? https://us.coca-cola.com/products/coke-creations/y3000-limit...

They did at one point ask for cosmetics with thorium and radium[1], so who knows.

[1] http://museumofradium.co.uk/tho-radia/

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by godelski »

anticorporate wrote: post #182

> Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards To point out the obvious, no, it won't. Microsoft does not define what a PC is. Sure, they can make up whatever fanciful hardware requirements for their own operating system that they want to, and they can force whatever absurdities they want into contracts with manufacturers. But I guarantee my PC will not have a keyboard with this key.

> But I guarantee my PC will not have a keyboard with this key.

The article is misleading and if you click on the actual video (I linked in my main comment) they're just replacing a keycap and doing a remap. Layout is the same. So... technically your PC will probably have this key, just not the printed icon on it.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by [deleted] »

elric wrote: post #170

Great way to mess up muscle memory again. The original addition of the windows (or meta, if you're so inclined) key wasn't too bad, as most keyboards had a blank space there. But then people pushed the Fn. And the menu key. And the bottom row became a mess. With some keyboards having Fn>Ctrl>Win>Alt, while others have Ctrl>Fn>Win>Alt, or a permutation without an Fn key. None of my keyboards have a menu key. And none…

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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by godelski »

ziddoap wrote: post #59
hyperhopper wrote: post #17

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Shame on Ars for this. Would have thought they would be better. ESPECIALLY since the "since 1994" is not important for the headline at all, but they just wanted to pull something out of their ass to embellish the headline, but actually ended up making it wrong by doing so. I miss terse but descriptive headlines. Everything now has to be 11/10 wild or clickbait that doesn't actually give a full piece of information.

I see the word "clickbait" on HN so often it's lost all meaning. The headline is fine, not 11/10, and not wild. "Microsoft is adding a new key to PC keyboards" - true, descriptive. "for the first time since 1994" - provides context to the weight of the decision of adding a new key, absolutely fine. The headline is not wrong, this is the first key added that will be required as part of the standard keyboard layout sin…

> this is the first key added that will be required as part of the standard keyboard layout since 1994.

Is it? I thought they are just remapping the right menu key and putting a new logo on it.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by postalrat »

nbzso wrote: post #165
IshKebab wrote: post #148

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Terrible advice. This is like telling people not to use an IDE because auto-complete isn't always right. Or not to use document templates because they aren't finished. Github Copilot can - in some domains - make me 30% more productive. Once it becomes commonplace and the legal issues are sorted, luddites who refuse to use it will be left in the dust.

I don't think autocomplete is comparable with generative code processes. Using AI as a helper in analytics and documentation, yes. But how knowing to code without AI will leave me in the dust? I will know less? Or I will be so slow that the management will oust me? After measuring my "performance" trough corporate timer for code per minute?

Discussing it here won't change whatever happens in a couple years.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by paulddraper »

nindalf wrote: post #55
scrps wrote: post #28

Because everyone loves brand marketing on their keyboards... Microsoft would incur far less wrath if they would stop letting their marketing department run their company.

You’re going to get shocked when you find the Windows key on most keyboards.

And an Apple key on a bunch of others.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by edgyquant »

lallysingh wrote: post #77
bbor wrote: post #48

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Microsoft represents a solid, stable, enterprise-friendly, conservative, but still somewhat “innovative” (whatever that means) company. Or at least that’s their brand. Given that a huge part of their value is their long term sales relationships, I’d say they are an extremely brand-reliant company.

You could argue the same for bic (the pen/lighter company). Solid, stable, enterprise friendly (100 packs!) and still somewhat innovative (new kinds of pens, white out, etc).

There are lots of companies you could say this about

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by dns_snek »

swozey wrote: post #175
olyjohn wrote: post #141

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Because people will accidentally push the button and be sent to LinkedIn. Good for their stats. Computers are no longer being built to do what you want them to, but what the software maker wants you to do with them.

I cancelled Netflix years ago. I just got a new Shield TV remote with only a Netflix button and it is constantly getting hit. I probably hit it 5+ times a night. I wonder what they learn from that.

FYI you can remap that button to open another app, or two (different actions for press vs hold). I use an app called "Button Mapper"

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Post by duskwuff »

paulddraper wrote: post #196
nindalf wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re going to get shocked when you find the Windows key on most keyboards.

And an Apple key on a bunch of others.

It hasn't been an "Apple key" since 2010 or so. On all recent machines, it's just labeled as "Command", with the ⌘ symbol.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by whyoh »

Zandikar wrote: post #80
myself248 wrote: post #72

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I use the menu key where it's available, and ctrl-shift-F10 where it isn't. (Most new laptops seem to omit it.) When I'm in Windows, that is, which is an ever-dwindling share of my time.

Interesting, may I ask why/how/in what scenarios? Is it a trackpad thing? I was assuming it was an accessibility thing. That key's always been strange to me, never could figure out who used it and for what.

Sometimes when I want to "right click" something, it's more comfortable to use the Menu key than to reach for the mouse. For example, when going through a list of items with the arrow keys.
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