June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023) • Hacker News Board

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by iseletsk » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:40 PM UTC

chasil wrote: post #44

0x6c6f6c wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another suitable option, which has handled the situation of Red Hat source RPM releases[1] quite a bit better imo, is Alma Linux. https://almalinux.org/ Similar goal, but is working more directly upstream with Red Hat[2] as opposed to the (as I last had read) undisclosed and non-open approach that Rocky Linux has taken. 1: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-s... 2: https://almalinux.org/blog/f…

As I understand it, Alma is following the stream release, which is slightly upstream and less stable than RHEL. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/07/29/0214234/almalinux-... Rocky and SUSE Liberty Linux aim to be bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, which has become more difficult.

Alma is not following stream. It sues stream sources but selects only the right patches - to be fully binary compatible with RHEL

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by orev » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:40 PM UTC

jasoneckert wrote: post #45

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #5

Rocky Linux is a fine successor to CentOS and was created by one of the original founders of CentOS, Gregory Kurtzer. https://rockylinux.org/ https://rockylinux.org/about/ If you need enterprise support RHEL tends to be a default choice. If you cannot afford RHEL or do not need enterprise support, Rocky Linux fills the role that CentOS once did.

If you can't justify the cost of RHEL for your use case, I believe Fedora would be the best alternative at this time since its development has not been affected by the changes recently made to CentOS, and it provides a near identical feature set.

Fedora is a moving target that changes every 6 months. That’s not suitable for an enterprise application.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by BSDobelix » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:40 PM UTC

jtriangle wrote: post #58

BSDobelix wrote: post #53

This is really the time to make a decision, do you really need support..ehm sorry insurance? Then RedHat/Suse/Oracle if not, choose a trusted community distribution like Debian.

We moved everything to debian when Centos moved to a stretch release for 8, no regrets whatsoever, zero difference in stability, solved some niche hardware support issues. Writing was on the wall back then tbh. Redhat can enjoy it's legacy bubble, I'll continue to enjoy not paying for free software.

>I'll continue to enjoy not paying for free software.

Well we pay for it (the project and different other software projects..and even a completely different os) but in donations instead to pay stakeholders and "managers". ;)

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by pksebben » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:41 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #51

behnamoh wrote: post #22

Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable. To me, open-source is about the open, transparent "culture" in which you commit to develop, not about putting things out there for free (as in free beer). Too many companies already benefiting from open-source packages (e.g., OpenCV) without giving anything back to the community.

> Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable. RedHat has been making money for decades. The Centos rug pull was just a way to make more money at the expense of their users and the larger open source community. It is impossible to justify a rug pull. By definition, it is a hostile, one-sided, trust-destroying, and underhanded move.

I found it notable that the linked RHEL post had zero mention of the why of it. Seems like a glaring omission.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:41 PM UTC

jasoneckert wrote: post #45

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #5

Rocky Linux is a fine successor to CentOS and was created by one of the original founders of CentOS, Gregory Kurtzer. https://rockylinux.org/ https://rockylinux.org/about/ If you need enterprise support RHEL tends to be a default choice. If you cannot afford RHEL or do not need enterprise support, Rocky Linux fills the role that CentOS once did.

If you can't justify the cost of RHEL for your use case, I believe Fedora would be the best alternative at this time since its development has not been affected by the changes recently made to CentOS, and it provides a near identical feature set.

> and it provides a near identical feature set.

The leading features of CentOS were 1. Absurdly stable; keep updating the same version in place for a decade without changing it. 2. Drop-in compatible with proprietary drivers and applications published for RHEL.

Fedora is not a replacement for CentOS.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by op00to » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:44 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #51

behnamoh wrote: post #22

Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable. To me, open-source is about the open, transparent "culture" in which you commit to develop, not about putting things out there for free (as in free beer). Too many companies already benefiting from open-source packages (e.g., OpenCV) without giving anything back to the community.

> Well, Redhat has to make money somehow, so this decision is understandable. RedHat has been making money for decades. The Centos rug pull was just a way to make more money at the expense of their users and the larger open source community. It is impossible to justify a rug pull. By definition, it is a hostile, one-sided, trust-destroying, and underhanded move.

Can you define a rug pull?

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by chasil » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:44 PM UTC

iseletsk wrote: post #71

chasil wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, Alma is following the stream release, which is slightly upstream and less stable than RHEL. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/07/29/0214234/almalinux-... Rocky and SUSE Liberty Linux aim to be bug-for-bug compatible with RHEL, which has become more difficult.

Alma is not following stream. It sues stream sources but selects only the right patches - to be fully binary compatible with RHEL

> It sues stream sources

Beware the Freudian slip.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by heywoodlh » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:45 PM UTC

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #64

doublepg23 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusing Red Hat of not contributing to the wider free software community is so off-base I’m not sure how to respond. Is there a single large FOSS project who’s git history isn’t filled with @redhat.com ?

Oh, so is it okay to share RHEL sources back with the original project communities or not? If you share RHEL sources with the original project communities, what happens? >> Is there a single large FOSS project who’s git history isn’t filled with @redhat.com ? Does this give Red Hat the right to effectively "close source" the code for RHEL despite contributions from the rest of the community?

> Does this give Red Hat the right to effectively "close source" the code for RHEL despite contributions from the rest of the community?

Legally, yes. Not sure what the point is you're trying to make.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to use a downstream distribution of Red Hat if they don't like Red Hat's trajectory. If you don't like Red Hat's current objectives with RHEL, it should be as simple as: stop using something downstream of RHEL.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by monkeywork » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:45 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #40

behnamoh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Not acquire competitor, and have to shut down your own firm" is a more crass decision.

RH did great financially for many years while CentOS was around; do you have some reason to claim that it was an existential threat?

because having CentOS lead to Oracle Linux being a thing which allowed big competitor to offer what was essentially 100% compatible product to your own while undercutting your support costs.

I don't think RHEL/IBM cares about the small losses on CentOS/Rocky/Alma/etc what they found was hurting them was companies like Oracle

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by stonemetal12 » Fri, Jan 05, 2024, 4:46 PM UTC

heywoodlh wrote: post #37

phpisthebest wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point The entire Propose of CentOS was Binary Compatibility with RHEL, largely for Vendor compliance reasons, if a vendor of a commercial software product validated RHEL 7 for their software running CentOS 7 was also supported Running CentOS Stream, or now Alma Linux would not be as their are no longer binary compatible with RHEL. the Hostility of IBM and R…

> I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point I believe that AlmaLinux's approach is in-line with Red Hat's vision for downstream OS-es. Rocky's is not. I think a potential benefit to aligning with Red Hat's approach is that both AlmaLinux and Red Hat will be contributing fixes, improvements, etc. to CentOS Stream -- and any other OS-es that base off of CentOS Stream. And, nothing is preventing…

>I believe that AlmaLinux's approach is in-line with Red Hat's vision for downstream OS-es.

As far as I can tell this is logically incorrect CentOS/Alma are upstream not downstream and red hat's vision of downstream OSes is they don't exist because that takes a nickel out of IBM's pocket.