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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

taylodl wrote: post #74
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #48

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I'm really glad Tesla has shown their true self over the last few years. I've been in "maybe get a new car in a year or so" mode for a few years but haven't pulled the trigger yet for a variety of reasons. When that conversation in my head started, Tesla was absolutely in the mix. Now? Maybe if you gave me one for free, but I'm sure not buying one.

I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.

I didn't buy a Tesla but bought a BEV. And I really miss the charging network during long vacations. Tesla seems to be the only player that has figured that out. Oh, and the other tech stack stuff (like actually using UWB for unlocking the car via phone), but there are plenty of things not to like about it.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by barbazoo »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #52
barbazoo wrote: post #47

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Love those people that indicate left going into a roundabout, by the time I see you I don't know where you started indicating left so I have no idea where you're going :D

That's what I was taught. If you're doing 270 degrees in a roundabout, you signal left when entering, cancel in the roundabout and right when exiting.

Let's say you enter at 6 o'clock, indicating left to leave the roundabout at 9 o'clock. The car seeing you at 12 o'clock doesn't know if your "left blinking" means you exit at 12 o'clock, 9 o'clock or even 3 o'clock.

Wouldn't it be better to just indicate right when leaving the roundabout, that way no one can get confused?

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by bryanlarsen »

barbazoo wrote: post #92
bryanlarsen wrote: post #52

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That's what I was taught. If you're doing 270 degrees in a roundabout, you signal left when entering, cancel in the roundabout and right when exiting.

Let's say you enter at 6 o'clock, indicating left to leave the roundabout at 9 o'clock. The car seeing you at 12 o'clock doesn't know if your "left blinking" means you exit at 12 o'clock, 9 o'clock or even 3 o'clock. Wouldn't it be better to just indicate right when leaving the roundabout, that way no one can get confused?

At 6 o'clock your left blinker is on. At 5 o'clock your blinker is off. At 11:30 your right blinker is on.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by barbazoo »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #93
barbazoo wrote: post #92

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Let's say you enter at 6 o'clock, indicating left to leave the roundabout at 9 o'clock. The car seeing you at 12 o'clock doesn't know if your "left blinking" means you exit at 12 o'clock, 9 o'clock or even 3 o'clock. Wouldn't it be better to just indicate right when leaving the roundabout, that way no one can get confused?

At 6 o'clock your left blinker is on. At 5 o'clock your blinker is off. At 11:30 your right blinker is on.

I see, what I see here is people leaving the left blinker on the whole time like I described. In your example, what's the purpose of left blinking between 6 and 5:30 then, it's the only path you could possibly take so is there a need for indicating at all?

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by bryanlarsen »

barbazoo wrote: post #94
bryanlarsen wrote: post #93

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At 6 o'clock your left blinker is on. At 5 o'clock your blinker is off. At 11:30 your right blinker is on.

I see, what I see here is people leaving the left blinker on the whole time like I described. In your example, what's the purpose of left blinking between 6 and 5:30 then, it's the only path you could possibly take so is there a need for indicating at all?

I don't know, it was just what I was taught. It certainly is useful for 2 lane roundabouts where left turners go into the inside lane, so probably is maintained for consistency with smaller roundabouts.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by taylodl »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #90
Gud wrote: post #86

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Not really. Today there are many EVs to choose from.

Absolutely if you wanna spend extra 10k for lesser trim.

It's not about trim - it's about a car that's a car, not a computer with wheels. Even the iPhone understood that it was first and foremost a phone. Apple had to create new human-machine interfaces for the iPhone because it was a new form factor demanding a new means of interaction. A Tesla does not. It's a car. We've spent 100 years refining and honing the interface. But of course they know better. They're smart, everybody else is stupid - and that is why I don't like Tesla.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by zitterbewegung »

bborud wrote: post #88
zitterbewegung wrote: post #69

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Are you sure we are looking at the same Apple that released Macbook with one usb c port, a keyboard that everyone hated, and basically doesn’t care about thermal designs ? I’m a Mac user but that doesn’t mean I am oblivious about their faults.

Oh, I have no illusions about Macs. There's a reason I didn't buy a new laptop for 5 years. But if you look at the macs since the M1, they actually seem to be back to decent build quality.

I own a M1 Max MacBook Pro 14.2 it is the best computer I have ever owned. Their build quality I haven't questioned its really their weird design choices. Although, I'm not sure why it didn't come out with Wifi 6E and faster SD card slot but those are nitpicks and I don't use SD cards (I did put in a flush SD card to give me a 512gb of extra storage).

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by dzhiurgis »

taylodl wrote: post #96
dzhiurgis wrote: post #90

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Absolutely if you wanna spend extra 10k for lesser trim.

It's not about trim - it's about a car that's a car, not a computer with wheels. Even the iPhone understood that it was first and foremost a phone. Apple had to create new human-machine interfaces for the iPhone because it was a new form factor demanding a new means of interaction. A Tesla does not. It's a car. We've spent 100 years refining and honing the interface. But of course they know better. They're smart, eve…

You're just regurgitating same mass media sewer. Tesla absolutely nailed the UX. Everyone else who is trying to copy it is failing just like Android used to copy Apple in early days.

If you wanna buy something that's technically behind ~10 years, has less gear and costs more - all the best to you. Just don't be surprised by people make fun of you.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by anonymousab »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #36

Not a problem in Canada. Everybody either doesn't use turn signals, or uses turn signals wrong in roundabouts whether they are driving a Tesla or not.

For what it's worth, there are several municipalities that have different and conflicting rules about signalling in or with roundabouts than the provincial rules. So there is legitimate confusion about which rules to follow.

At least, in Ontario. The provincial police will give you a different answer from municipal police, and I've gotten a different answer still from MoT folks.

In practice, another issue I have seen is that some folks see any use of a signal near a roundabout as an indication that you are trying to "change lanes", which leads to a honk fest and more confusion immediately. So doing the "right thing" approaching or exiting a roundabout can lead to more confusion and dangerous situations than just... not signaling, unfortunately.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by trog »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #89
trog wrote: post #85

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Anyone who is remotely online is basically forced to have extremely strong opinions about Tesla because Elon can't help but put himself in almost every piece of discourse, making him and Tesla objectionable to many people for many reasons. The cost seems to be turning into less of an issue - the Model 3 was for a while the best priced EV here (Australia) but now there are several Chinese options that are more afforda…

Yes we too have Chinese cars in NZ. They are pretty well built, albeit lame tech. The cheapness comes from the fact they are much smaller. Thats the market segment BYD is winning, they are not even competing with Tesla.

Sounds good to me, the more smaller cars the better
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