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YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by zanellato19 »

nmz wrote: post #64
fermigier wrote: post #30

"Here's my favorite example, here: 1928, my hero, Walt Disney, created this extraordinary work, the birth of Mickey Mouse in the form of Steamboat Willie. But what you probably don't recognize about Steamboat Willie and his emergence into Mickey Mouse is that in 1928, Walt Disney, to use the language of the Disney Corporation today, "stole" Willie from Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill." It was a parody, a take-off; it…

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

Moralistic has a completely different connotation, as I'm sure you are aware.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by zanellato19 »

kriops wrote: post #62
kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Your supposition that they fail to uphold the common good is unsubstantiated (and arguably must be, because it is arguably wrong.). And arguably a corporation can neither be moral nor immoral, as only its individual stakeholders are moral actors.

A corporation is a collection of people. If these people are doing immoral actions, so is the corporation. Everything that happens by human action is moral or immoral.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by gempir »

kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Any for profit company does not act with 100% pure morale moves. Some do less some do more good, where do you draw the line? Google does a lot of good too, educating, bringing Internet to people who never had it before, being a diverse employer etc.

So because they have some morally questionable choices every developer should quit? There is no black and white.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by well_actulily »

nmz wrote: post #64
fermigier wrote: post #30

"Here's my favorite example, here: 1928, my hero, Walt Disney, created this extraordinary work, the birth of Mickey Mouse in the form of Steamboat Willie. But what you probably don't recognize about Steamboat Willie and his emergence into Mickey Mouse is that in 1928, Walt Disney, to use the language of the Disney Corporation today, "stole" Willie from Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill." It was a parody, a take-off; it…

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

Lessig isn't saying we should keep children away from morals. He's criticizing how Disney adapted the Brothers Grimm's stories, which often preached heavy-handed and regressive moral lessons in a moralizing manner.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by trogdor »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #38
chii wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But instead it just bowed down to the copyright industry you mean youtube tried to obey the law? You cannot just unilaterally decide not to obey copyright laws. > It could have spurred a copyright revolution. I am not in favour of vigilantism - the right way to change the law is to participate in the public civil procedures. For example, if enough people joined the Pirate Party ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite…

YouTube goes beyond what the law requires. If YouTube followed the law, they'd accept a DMCA notice from a purported copyright holder and take a video down, then accept a counter-notice from the video poster and put the video back up, without question , and then the recourse the purported copyright holder has at that point if they still think the video is infringing is to sue the video poster and not YouTube. And if…

Your description of how Content ID works on YouTube is wrong.

When a creator receives a Content ID claim, that’s the beginning of a process, not the end. Content ID claims can be disputed, and during the dispute, all revenue from the video is held in escrow, eventually going to whomever prevails in the dispute.

The first level of the dispute process is essentially the uploader asking the claimant to reconsider, with the option to provide a brief explanation of why the uploader believes the claim is invalid.

If the dispute is rejected, that’s still not the end of the story. The uploader can press the dispute further. Doing so forces the claimant to either abandon their claim, or ‘upgrade’ it to a formal DMCA takedown. If a takedown is issued and the uploader believes their work is not infringing, they can respond with a counter-notification, which forces the claimant to either (a) sue the uploader within ten days, or (b) lose the dispute. In the latter case, the video goes back up and any escrow revenue - along with all future revenue - goes to the uploader instead of the copyright claimant.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by sbergot »

nmz wrote: post #64
fermigier wrote: post #30

"Here's my favorite example, here: 1928, my hero, Walt Disney, created this extraordinary work, the birth of Mickey Mouse in the form of Steamboat Willie. But what you probably don't recognize about Steamboat Willie and his emergence into Mickey Mouse is that in 1928, Walt Disney, to use the language of the Disney Corporation today, "stole" Willie from Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill." It was a parody, a take-off; it…

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

In the original stories the bad guys are punished in a cruel and horrible way. Like forced to dance with red-hot iron shoes.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by Dalewyn »

gempir wrote: post #73
kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Any for profit company does not act with 100% pure morale moves. Some do less some do more good, where do you draw the line? Google does a lot of good too, educating, bringing Internet to people who never had it before, being a diverse employer etc. So because they have some morally questionable choices every developer should quit? There is no black and white.

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Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by trogdor »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #37

"Play stupid games... win stupid prizes." Isn't a remastered version a separate work under the copyright semblance rules? i.e. each digitally remastered re-release essentially extends that versions protection another 85 years. =)

>Isn't a remastered version a separate work under the copyright semblance rules?

No.

A 2018 9th Circuit decision held that remasters are not eligible for copyright protection because they lack originality. The case was ABS Entertainment Inc. v. CBS Corporation.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by lifthrasiir »

kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

> I see a lot of submissions about FAANG companies "doing wrong" on here but I rarely see a discussion about us software developers being active participants in this sort of behavior.

That's because i) there are better venues for that sort of discussions than the HN, ii) there is no reason that everyone (or even a fraction of them) should talk actively about their employer, and iii) that line of thought can be recursively applied to any other group, giving rise to common behaviors described in i) and ii).

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