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YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

bni wrote: post #10

If someone scans a recent DVD release of SW, is it still public domain? Or must you have access to an original film reel from the early 1900 and scan that? Do anyone have besides in some Disney archive? Has issues like that ever been clarified?

I'm guessing that Brock Baker didn't digitise a 1928 reel of film himself.

If the digitisation was done recently and a lot of work went into cleaning up the images (restoring old movies is time consuming and costly - including artists touching up/recreating/fixing frames) couldn't Disney (or who ever has done it) claim that the new restored digitised version is now copyright?

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by kriops »

kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Your supposition that they fail to uphold the common good is unsubstantiated (and arguably must be, because it is arguably wrong.).

And arguably a corporation can neither be moral nor immoral, as only its individual stakeholders are moral actors.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by troupo »

skummetmaelk wrote: post #54
fermigier wrote: post #30

"Here's my favorite example, here: 1928, my hero, Walt Disney, created this extraordinary work, the birth of Mickey Mouse in the form of Steamboat Willie. But what you probably don't recognize about Steamboat Willie and his emergence into Mickey Mouse is that in 1928, Walt Disney, to use the language of the Disney Corporation today, "stole" Willie from Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill." It was a parody, a take-off; it…

Take what you can, give nothing back. Apparently.

That has been Disney's motto since forever. The "golden age if Disney" is all public domain works and fairy tales.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by nmz »

fermigier wrote: post #30

"Here's my favorite example, here: 1928, my hero, Walt Disney, created this extraordinary work, the birth of Mickey Mouse in the form of Steamboat Willie. But what you probably don't recognize about Steamboat Willie and his emergence into Mickey Mouse is that in 1928, Walt Disney, to use the language of the Disney Corporation today, "stole" Willie from Buster Keaton's "Steamboat Bill." It was a parody, a take-off; it…

Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by anon84873628 »

kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Are other companies really any better? Where can you work that is definitively "morally pure" and have such reliable income and comfortable lifestyle? (Or even in the same ballpark?)

It's pretty much the same question as asking why everyone doesn't go work for non profits or NGOs. Or move away from the US and stop supporting bad US government behavior with our taxes...

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by insickness »

bni wrote: post #10

If someone scans a recent DVD release of SW, is it still public domain? Or must you have access to an original film reel from the early 1900 and scan that? Do anyone have besides in some Disney archive? Has issues like that ever been clarified?

Recent Hacker News discussion on this:

Court of Appeal ruling will prevent UK museums from charging reproduction fees

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38817128

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by kele »

kitsune_ wrote: post #35

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

It's a mix of what you just said, and many more.

But besides that, I work there because I actually believe that the company still does a lot of good. And from what I can tell, most people around me do too.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

troupo wrote: post #63
skummetmaelk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take what you can, give nothing back. Apparently.

That has been Disney's motto since forever. The "golden age if Disney" is all public domain works and fairy tales.

Public domain for thee, but not for me.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Post by orra »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #57
orra wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there's a problem with both. This was a Content ID complaint, not a DMCA takedown.

Why is the content id system there? Oh right to make sure they don't get sued to shit.

Content ID is not required for YouTube to be protected by Safe Harbor.
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