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Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by talldatethrow »

whywhywouldyou wrote: post #712
talldatethrow wrote: post #90

I think EVs give me LESS range anxiety overall. In my gas car days, atleast once a month I was late for work or an event AND low on gas. Having to remember and think about getting gas was constantly on my mind because I have a pretty long commute. With an electric car, I start every day, always, with a full tank. No matter how late I'm running, I know there won't be a surprise that I need gas in addition to being lat…

Similar story for me! Back when I had feet, there were so many days where I had anxiety over forgetting to tie my shoes. Sometimes I would start the day with my shoes untied. Other days I'd obsess over which knot to use. And additional worries over my shoe becoming untied during the day. I found out the solution to these problems wasn't about just remembering to tie my shoe tightly in the morning like an adult -- the…

No, it was to get shoes that regenerate themselves in the garage while I sleep.

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Post by steelframe »

lagadu wrote: post #751
jansan wrote: post #286

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You sound like a version of me with deeper pockets. We have a Volkswagen eUp! as an EV, which is a lot of fun to drive and does all the inner city commute. Then I have a station wagon that I bought for 15000€ in almost new condition, which is used for all longer trips or cases when stuff needs to be transported. Sometimes I drive it on short trips only to not let it sit around for longer than two weeks. I would go fo…

Going completely off-topic here but I have to ask: why spend that much for a Carrera T in a world the Cayman GTS 4.0 exists and is superior in virtually everything that matters for a sports car for significantly less?

For me it would be AWD. I live in an area that gets a lot of rain, and I frequently travel through a mountain pass that gets snow in the winter.

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

One thing that have not been mentioned why i still do not have an EV. Recovery form loss of the power grid. My cost to store diesel for extended period compared to electricity is an insignificant fraction. For diesel I only need a tank, stabilizer, and a hand crank pump.

Can keep it for years. If I make the vehicle propane, I can do it for decades. No additional cost over time. This is not so for electric.

EV is excellent for short, in town trips for now. And, this is not a USA thing as noone likes to be stuck on the side of the road, no matter of the country.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by kalleboo »

ecmascript wrote: post #623
talldatethrow wrote: post #90

I think EVs give me LESS range anxiety overall. In my gas car days, atleast once a month I was late for work or an event AND low on gas. Having to remember and think about getting gas was constantly on my mind because I have a pretty long commute. With an electric car, I start every day, always, with a full tank. No matter how late I'm running, I know there won't be a surprise that I need gas in addition to being lat…

Yesterday close to where I live there was a big queue that still isn't resolved in a winter storm (over 1000 cars got stuck). With a gas car, you can physically go and get gas and fill it up manually but an EV would run out of battery, die and would need to be towed. Maybe you live in a place where winter storms are not a reality but where I live the range isn't the problem it's the weather combined with the range. E…

Where I live we have typhoons. The last big one caused gasoline supplies to be disrupted (I believe the tankers could not approach to dock or something like that) and all the gas stations were out of gas for two or three days. The electrical grid didn't even blip so there was no problem for EV owners.

ICE cars are really unsuited for places where the gasoline supply is not guaranteed perfect.

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Post by _ea1k »

jakewins wrote: post #493

Data: EV sales up 50% YoY. Business Insider headline: “Fewer people are buying electric cars”. A useful discussion for HN might be: Why are they choosing this framing? Some discussion in Electrek about why the record growth is framed as if the numbers show absolute-figure declines: https://electrek.co/2023/11/09/which-is-it-already-is-us-ev-...

I wonder if there is brigading occuring here? It is odd that your comment is downvoted, when so many negative comments are getting upvotes. Hmm...

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Post by GiorgioG »

scarby2 wrote: post #883
atestu wrote: post #664

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I'm in that first group and I don't see how it makes the most sense. They are not more convenient. I can "charge" my gas car in 2 minutes basically anywhere in the country. I'm going on vacation next week, driving with 2 young children. It'll be about a 11 hour drive which is not crazy for a US vacation. I don't want to plan where I stop and stop for 45 minutes to fuel up with 2 toddlers in the car. And they're all m…

>I'm going on vacation next week, driving with 2 young children. It'll be about a 11 hour drive which is not crazy for a US vacation. I don't want to plan where I stop and stop for 45 minutes to fuel up with 2 toddlers in the car. How often do you do this? Once, maybe twice a year? With my current commute i have to go out of my way to get gas every week. It takes at least 15 minutes extra on my way home (but thats on…

> How often do you do this?

Get it through your heads, the frequency is irrelevant. We have this feature now with ICEs..and EVs do not. Some people will choose to stick with ICEs until such time that they reach parity in this department.

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Post by GiorgioG »

r0m4n0 wrote: post #856
atestu wrote: post #664

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I'm in that first group and I don't see how it makes the most sense. They are not more convenient. I can "charge" my gas car in 2 minutes basically anywhere in the country. I'm going on vacation next week, driving with 2 young children. It'll be about a 11 hour drive which is not crazy for a US vacation. I don't want to plan where I stop and stop for 45 minutes to fuel up with 2 toddlers in the car. And they're all m…

Based upon the amount of comments here this must be a controversial comment but I can’t imagine how you do this. With one toddler, she can barely make a 1 hour trip let alone 11 hours. I could use an electric vehicle with a 90 mile range for that trip because that’s about how often I would need to stop. Props to you for keeping 2 toddlers in the car for 11 hours

Toughen up your toddlers ;) A decade ago we moved from one state (NY) to another (NC) with an 18 month old and a 6 year old. We did the 650 mile trip at night in way longer than 10.5 hours it should have taken due to horrible weather, traffic, etc...but we didn't stop for anything other than gas and one or two coffee breaks.

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Post by kcplate »

christiangenco wrote: post #778
atestu wrote: post #664

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I'm in that first group and I don't see how it makes the most sense. They are not more convenient. I can "charge" my gas car in 2 minutes basically anywhere in the country. I'm going on vacation next week, driving with 2 young children. It'll be about a 11 hour drive which is not crazy for a US vacation. I don't want to plan where I stop and stop for 45 minutes to fuel up with 2 toddlers in the car. And they're all m…

My wife and I own a single family home, a gas-powered car (Toyota Rav4), and an electric car (a standard range Tesla model 3). The electric car is much more convenient for us for city driving and the gas-powered car is much more convenient for road trips. Refuelling the Rav4 is an errand that takes time, planning, and mental energy. For my wife it's also a low-level danger: women find gas stations spooky, apparently.…

> Refuelling the Rav4 is an errand that takes time, planning, and mental energy

Is there something about that RAv4 vehicle that makes fueling difficult? I have a Lexus, generally it tells me “hey! I’m low on fuel” so I stop at the next convenient gas station I see, fill it with gas in about 5 mins, and I am back on my way to wherever. Sometimes when I am feeling particularly rebellious, I happen to be driving by a gas station even before the car is low on fuel, and I stop and top it off in a few minutes and then am on my way to wherever.

Also, sometimes I’m driving and want a cup of coffee and stop at a coffee shop too…

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by chefandy »

christiangenco wrote: post #778
atestu wrote: post #664

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in that first group and I don't see how it makes the most sense. They are not more convenient. I can "charge" my gas car in 2 minutes basically anywhere in the country. I'm going on vacation next week, driving with 2 young children. It'll be about a 11 hour drive which is not crazy for a US vacation. I don't want to plan where I stop and stop for 45 minutes to fuel up with 2 toddlers in the car. And they're all m…

My wife and I own a single family home, a gas-powered car (Toyota Rav4), and an electric car (a standard range Tesla model 3). The electric car is much more convenient for us for city driving and the gas-powered car is much more convenient for road trips. Refuelling the Rav4 is an errand that takes time, planning, and mental energy. For my wife it's also a low-level danger: women find gas stations spooky, apparently.…

er... I'm pretty pro-ev, but I don't think you can reasonably generalize feeling so put-upon by the non-financial aspects of getting gas.
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