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Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by lagadu »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #16
TacticalCoder wrote: post #10

> If there's any direct inspiration for the United States' EV policy, it's Norway. As the story goes, Norway introduced some compelling subsidies for EVs Ah yup... Norway, sitting on gigantic oil reserves. Reserves so huge they could decide to just give the finger to the EU and not join. So huge there's a fund benefiting, AFAIK, all Norway citizens. I'm not criticizing Norway. But citing Norway as some kind of EV pos…

> But citing Norway as some kind of EV posterchild is quite hilarious when it's their oil business subsidizing EVs. It's even more hilarious when you compare the population count.

The population count is an argument that puts the US in a further negative light: They stand to gain significantly more due to how economies of scale work than a country with only 5 million people does.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by xivzgrev »

I’m surprised none of the top comments mention that California will be banning gas cars starting in 2035, with a handful of other states following

So whatever problems are being mentioned here…will have to be figured out in the next 10 years.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/states-banning-new-gas-po...

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by atestu »

outlace wrote: post #627

EV’s currently make the most sense for people who own a single family home or otherwise live in a community with readily available near-home chargers, where EV’s are on average more convenient than gas cars. People who rely on street parking and apartment dwellers would likely find EV’s more inconvenient than a gas car. We may be close to saturating the market for the former group. Another factor that could be at pla…

I'm in that first group and I don't see how it makes the most sense. They are not more convenient. I can "charge" my gas car in 2 minutes basically anywhere in the country.

I'm going on vacation next week, driving with 2 young children. It'll be about a 11 hour drive which is not crazy for a US vacation. I don't want to plan where I stop and stop for 45 minutes to fuel up with 2 toddlers in the car.

And they're all much more expensive than a nice 5 year old gas car.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by lagadu »

talldatethrow wrote: post #90

I think EVs give me LESS range anxiety overall. In my gas car days, atleast once a month I was late for work or an event AND low on gas. Having to remember and think about getting gas was constantly on my mind because I have a pretty long commute. With an electric car, I start every day, always, with a full tank. No matter how late I'm running, I know there won't be a surprise that I need gas in addition to being lat…

It's funny how the people who suffer the most from range anxiety seem to be those who don't own EVs.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by shmatt »

outlace wrote: post #627

EV’s currently make the most sense for people who own a single family home or otherwise live in a community with readily available near-home chargers, where EV’s are on average more convenient than gas cars. People who rely on street parking and apartment dwellers would likely find EV’s more inconvenient than a gas car. We may be close to saturating the market for the former group. Another factor that could be at pla…

EVs aren't cheap either, in 2 years one will get better battery tech and a new connector, plus whatever deprecation the battery will go through if you buy one today. 2023-4 and earlier EVs will lose a huge chunk of their worth once NACS cars with better than 200 mile range become available

The value of my leased Volvo C40 has already fallen off a cliff and is less than my residual value. Once my lease is over there will be an NACS EX-30 that will be cheaper brand new, than what Volvo are charging for me to keep my old connector used battery car

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by bluGill »

complianceowl wrote: post #658

For those folks who think they're saving the planet by driving an electric car, they need to realize most of the power for their EV is generated by fossil fuels and natural gas -- not wind, solar, or hydro.

In some places, but share of wind and solar is increasing fast. Where I live we are 103% wind - that is we generate more electric from wind than we use (it is exported to other regions nearby and when the wind isn't blowing we do import power from other sources).

Meanwhile your ICE is 100% fossil fuel. And the ICE is less efficient at turning those fossil fuels into power than a central power plant.

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TacticalCoder wrote: post #10

> If there's any direct inspiration for the United States' EV policy, it's Norway. As the story goes, Norway introduced some compelling subsidies for EVs Ah yup... Norway, sitting on gigantic oil reserves. Reserves so huge they could decide to just give the finger to the EU and not join. So huge there's a fund benefiting, AFAIK, all Norway citizens. I'm not criticizing Norway. But citing Norway as some kind of EV pos…

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Post by a_gnostic »

xivzgrev wrote: post #662

I’m surprised none of the top comments mention that California will be banning gas cars starting in 2035, with a handful of other states following So whatever problems are being mentioned here…will have to be figured out in the next 10 years. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/states-banning-new-gas-po...

California has banned many things, that are still widely available. If the history of banning things has taught us anything, it's that if you ban gas powered cars; People will build them in their bathtubs.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Post by SirMaster »

Schiendelman wrote: post #616
SirMaster wrote: post #310

It’s the same problem it’s always been from my point of view. There’s nowhere to charge. No charger at my apartment, none at my office and according to internet charger maps it’s a 45 minute round trip to go get a charge and then I have to both save some of the range to get there and waste some getting back. Doesn’t appear that anything will change on the next few years to gain a charger at my apartment or work eithe…

Are you in Wyoming?

No, Wisconsin.
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