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Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Flagged for misleading clickbait. The article says that the growth rate has slowed, yet the title says sales are declining. > Sure, sales of EVs keep going up — a record 300,000 cars sold in the US in the third quarter of 2023 were electric — but the pace of adoption has markedly slowed

The anti-EV fud is so strong right now. Now it's down to only 30% YoY sales.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Flagged for misleading clickbait. The article says that the growth rate has slowed, yet the title says sales are declining. > Sure, sales of EVs keep going up — a record 300,000 cars sold in the US in the third quarter of 2023 were electric — but the pace of adoption has markedly slowed

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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I think EVs give me LESS range anxiety overall. In my gas car days, atleast once a month I was late for work or an event AND low on gas. Having to remember and think about getting gas was constantly on my mind because I have a pretty long commute. With an electric car, I start every day, always, with a full tank. No matter how late I'm running, I know there won't be a surprise that I need gas in addition to being lat…

Yesterday close to where I live there was a big queue that still isn't resolved in a winter storm (over 1000 cars got stuck). With a gas car, you can physically go and get gas and fill it up manually but an EV would run out of battery, die and would need to be towed. Maybe you live in a place where winter storms are not a reality but where I live the range isn't the problem it's the weather combined with the range. E…

Presumably you would have started your day with a full charge, and be unlikely to run out even if stuck for a day. We switched to an EV last month and what surprised me the most was the mindset change required - you need to treat the car more like a phone that you keep topped off, instead of the gas car you tend to run down to near empty to maximize time between refills. The big hidden requirement is to have a powerful charging circuit at home, enough to charge the car overnight (60A/240V circuit for us). Without that the EV would be too cumbersome.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…

>People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo.

Spending dozens of thousands on a personal people mover I would like it to enable and expand my freedoms. I.e. supporting painless weekend road trips. Fossil fuel cars answer this requirement, EVs don't.

For the extremely constrained happy path of commute in urban areas it is much more efficient to develop public transport. Living in a city with developed public transport I'd rather take the train than drive an EV to get to the same destination.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it makes a really good point. I drive an EV, and agree with two main points: 1: It was more expensive than an equivalent gas car 2: Range anxiety is real I might have bought a $20,000 car with 100 miles of range, used it for almost all of my driving except long trips, and been happier having saved $25,000

Expensive is relative. Model 3s and Model Ys are often cheaper than the comparable luxury competition from the BMWs and Audis of the world. Sure, a Corolla or a Kia are cheaper, but that's not the same market.

As a Tesla owner I’d put it in the same category of luxury as a Subaru.

Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…

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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US

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The most disingenuous part of this article is labeling a slowing growth rate (which is still a very healthy double digit percentage growth rate) to “fewer people buying” electric cars.

That’s not how growth works.

It also needs to be pointed out that the auto industry as a whole is slowing down.

The other thing that needs to discussed is interest and financing. This is a terrible time to buy any car. I’m not personally going to get into a 7% auto loan if I don’t have to. I think a lot of people are waiting.

If borrowed $50,000 for a car in 2021 your payment was $834 a month (0% interest).

That same payment with a typical 5% new car loan will knock $6,000 off the sticker price of what you can afford.

Essentially, cars are 15% more expensive than they were two years ago just when talking financing.

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