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SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Does anyone know where these employees were employed? I’m a worker in a right-to-work state and would love it if this set a precedent for icing out employers from retribution style separations.

Doesn’t the NLRB deal with federal laws and not state laws? So wouldn’t this apply to any state?

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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post #23

Does anyone know where these employees were employed? I’m a worker in a right-to-work state and would love it if this set a precedent for icing out employers from retribution style separations.

That's not what right-to-work means. Right to work was invented by conservatives to give employees the "right" to not pay dues to a union that represents employees at the company. It's just one of the many ways employers have managed to weaken unions in the US over the last half-plus century.

I think they meant that since they are in a right to work state having something like this to show that that doesn’t automatically mean you can be pushed around would be a good thing.

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Musk supported "free speech".

Free speech is when you say something Musk agrees with.

Thus "free speech" being in "scare quotes". You're both right. ;)

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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how are they able to prove this in court though? surely the HR wouldn't be that stupid to document the reason of firing is "criticising the CEO". also, not trying to be on Musk side, of course he has made some embarrassing and stupid tweets. But if you created a letter that your CEO's public comment is "frequent source of embarrassment", won't you get fired in any other company?? in meta, someone even got fired for b…

Perhaps it’s a “obviousness of the coincidence“ kind of thing where if these people had nothing against them in their files and just suddenly got fired very very shortly after criticizing leadership it counts?

That said as history has shown over and over I would not put it past people doing illegal things to document the illegal things they are doing.

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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how are they able to prove this in court though? surely the HR wouldn't be that stupid to document the reason of firing is "criticising the CEO". also, not trying to be on Musk side, of course he has made some embarrassing and stupid tweets. But if you created a letter that your CEO's public comment is "frequent source of embarrassment", won't you get fired in any other company?? in meta, someone even got fired for b…

Shotwell literally wrote an email telling them they had to stop discussing the issue or she would consider it insubordination then fired them the next day. No need for HR to do anything when the person in charge is incriminating themselves.

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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8 out of 13,000 employees wanted to circulate a letter complaining about Musk's tweets and the Labor board claims they were "illegally" fired over this. Which law specifically requires employers to permit every employee to spam the company with their personal grievances? This isn't union organization or whistleblowing. They could use a little more detail on how and why they believe this firing is illegal.

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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how are they able to prove this in court though? surely the HR wouldn't be that stupid to document the reason of firing is "criticising the CEO". also, not trying to be on Musk side, of course he has made some embarrassing and stupid tweets. But if you created a letter that your CEO's public comment is "frequent source of embarrassment", won't you get fired in any other company?? in meta, someone even got fired for b…

It's in writing.

- "7. About June 15, 2022, Respondent, by Gwynne Shotwell, through an email unlawfully restricted employees from distributing the Open Letter."

- "11. About June 16, 2022, Respondent, by Gwynne Shotwell, in an email to all employees announced that employees had been discharged for their involvement in the Open Letter."

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/CPT.3... (pdf)

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Didn't previous successful tech entrepreneurs in China experience severe hampering by their government?

It would probably be pretty hilarious to see him do that. It would absolutely not work out the way he would expect.

Is there any well developed country in the world that would give him more freedom to get away with his nonsense than the US?

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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post #23

Does anyone know where these employees were employed? I’m a worker in a right-to-work state and would love it if this set a precedent for icing out employers from retribution style separations.

That's not what right-to-work means. Right to work was invented by conservatives to give employees the "right" to not pay dues to a union that represents employees at the company. It's just one of the many ways employers have managed to weaken unions in the US over the last half-plus century.

I am not sure what the OP meant, but I have seen at-will-employment and right-to-work conflated. Maybe that happened here, maybe it did not.
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