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Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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post #387

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I’ve come to recognize that any article that uses 3.5 has an agenda.

The agenda of not wanting to pay for something just to test it out when there is a free version?

The agenda of using the significantly shitty version to try to paint it in a poor light.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Why would an average user want blog spam search results? My hope is as LLM’s improve, they can be more discriminating about the results returned.

> Why would an average user want blog spam search results? I didn’t say they would :) In fact, I can’t figure out how your comment relates to mine. Are you claiming that Google doesn’t factor blog spamminess into its evaluation of search results? If so, that’s quickly put to bed by the document I linked, pretty much section 4.6. Excerpt: > Creating an abundance of content with little effort or originality with no edi…

I was responding to this part, “And I’d venture their standards match their users’ better than the author’s”, which I understood you to mean people like these seo’d results.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Yes, it works for most search engines.

The addon you linked (on the Firefox version) only requests permissions on google.* sites so I don't think it will work for DDG. Is there a separate extension, or am I misunderstanding something?

uBlacklist has a button to enable other search engines, like DuckDuckGo. Press it!

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I will admit that I can't read between lines here and just go ahead an ask: What does "bluesky thought leader" suppose to mean? (1) Any guesses who this may be? Why is he not quoted directly? (btw, the term is used 3 times, presumably to refer to the same person). 1: my reading is that this is a sarcastic denomination for someone that is supposed to be an innovation thought leader but actually is just defending the b…

Or it's some vocal guy on Bluesky which didn't allow public links until recently.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Blah blah blah. Could you lay this article out any worse? What are the queries you used to test? I want to try them too. Buried in here somewhere. Using an adblocker is not expert anything. That you've defined your own opinion for what some of the results should be blows the thing up. Searching youtube downloader, many people would be fine with some of the ad covered but totally functional sites that pop up on Google…

Completely agree. I personally thought searching "Vancouver snow report" to be extremely strange. Just search zip code or city name and weather. Two words. That's all you need to get results. What the hell is snow report? Do you even think you can trust weather reports 10+ days out? Whole article is rambling and silly and assuming.

Well, "weather" is "it's snowing", "snow report" is "amount and quality of snow", I guess. Relevant for skiing and/or driving safely.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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There's also a known bug with Wikipedia in particular, I do index it but the results are never ranked particularly high. I haven't fixed it because I don't want Wikipedia to be the #1 result for every search. Feels like most people are aware of Wikipedia and don't need help finding it.

I often do a Google search, and then go directly to the Wikipedia result. My reasoning is that during the initial search, I don't know if there's a Wikipedia page about that topic, and I might need a fallback option.

Unless it's something related to medicine; then you have to explicitly add "wiki" to the query. Some public health thing to discourage hypochondriacs I guess, but it's very annoying.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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post #354

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Just use the Kagi Summarizer on YouTube videos and you don’t have to waste time watching trash. It’s a great life hack.

How does that work? Does it scrape the auto-generated captions?

Yeah, it uses the auto-generated transcript.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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That's curious, I generally hate video due to inability to glance over content, and the few attempts I made to actually find useful information I searched for resulted in... spammy extra low effort video content that did not answer my questions.

Depends on what you’re looking for. A blog post about how to play Search and Destroy by The Stooges is not as useful as a video of James Williamson himself showing you the riffs!

Well, I don't think I'd be able to learn much just from watching the concert: teaching is fundamentally different from doing.

So I think even that example does not universally hold. I'd still appreciate a write up with tips on what's important and if there are any transitions to focus on with only the bits on video where some of that is demonstrated.

Now, I can barely contort my fingers into one riff, so I lack the knowledge to understand what I am missing, but I'd still have a hard time learning that from video.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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post #409

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Firefox android

Hmm, can't reproduce it myself, but firefox has a nasty habit of quietly "repairing" these types of misconfigurations by redirecting from one subdomain to another. I've added marginalia.nu as a SAN, should hopefully work now.

It does indeed work. Thanks for the quick fix, and I realize that there is more than a search engine here!

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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The web has gotten bad because of what big search engines have encouraged. If they stopped incentivizing publishing complete garbage (by ruthlessly delisting low quality sites regardless of their ad quantity, etc) then maybe we'd see a resurgence of good content.

I don't think so. I think it's the inevitable outcome of giving all of humanity the ability to broadcast without curation. Or maybe we're saying essentially the same thing, but you think search engines should be doing that curation. But that was never my conception of what search engines are for.

I disagree, the bad sites people are talking about are spam, not bad personal takes. They are written by people being paid to churn out content. This is now being done with AI. This is a result of search engines listing them.
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