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Post by mlrtime »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #243
mikewarot wrote: post #124

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That was our bribe to the rest of the "first world" to stand with us as cannon fodder against the USSR (the second world) during the Cold War. Now that it is over, the US public has slowly but persistently pushed back on continuing that arrangement. We don't really need trade anywhere near as much as our trading partners overseas so. So we've scaled our fleet down. :I strongly suspect I'm about to learn I'm wrong abo…

> our bribe to the rest of the "first world" to stand with us as cannon fodder against the USSR (the second world) during the Cold Wa It’s deeper than that. We regularly protect our adversaries’ freedom of navigation.

Agreed, wouldn't China be just as interested as us in keeping these lanes open? Why aren't they also engaging?

Or do they not have assets here?

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Post by meepmorp »

number6 wrote: post #232
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #226

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> confused as to why no where in the article do they mention the intent of attacking the ships This appears to be a maritime news service. Why rockets are flying isn’t practically relevant. You’ll see similar parsimoniousness in aviation reporting around war zones (and humanitarian reports around natural disasters). There is almost always a market for concise commercial communications. > target ships that have Israel…

> This appears to be a maritime news service. Why rockets are flying isn’t practically relevant. Once a rocket goes up who cares where it comes down, that's not my department, says Werner von Braun

"In German oder English I know how to count down, und I'm learning Chinese," says Werner von Braun.

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Post by badpun »

sn41 wrote: post #261
majikaja wrote: post #255

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"You can receive $100 but someone in the world dies at random" I mentioned the above scenario to my wife and she said she thinks the majority of people would take the $100. I don't know if she's right but I think in any country a large percentage of the population is apathetic about people they don't know (especially foreigners) and can be easily prodded to support genocide.

I wouldn't - 100 dollars is not worth a death on my conscience. (I do not live in a rich country and 100 dollars is not a trivial amount for me.) Perhaps if the choice were more drastic: you can get a life saving treatment for free, but someone else dies at random, then my choice would be different.

> I wouldn't - 100 dollars is not worth a death on my conscience.

How much do you have in mind then?

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Post by johnnyworker »

bawolff wrote: post #268
johnnyworker wrote: post #258

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> I don't want to go into the "who's to blame because" arguments since to do this you need to pick a cut-off date No, why would you have to? As I said: > Everyone is responsible for what they do There is no giant blob called "war" and you now weigh the responsibility of one of two "sides" for that blob. That is precisely my point. The crimes of Hamas do not take one iota away from the crimes of Israel, and vice versa…

> Israel is committing genocide. You state these things like they are objective facts that have been proven. I suspect that most of the pro-israel side would be against israel comitting genocide (of course there are probably some extremists out there, but one hopes they are a small minority). The difference of opinion is not about whether genocide is wrong, but whether that is what Israel is doing. And hey, with the…

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Post by aaron695 »

keefle wrote: post #196

I'm really confused as to why no where in the article do they mention the intent of attacking the ships. As if the houthis in yemen are attacking ships because they like it or just because they "hate developed societies". Their declared reason is to put pressure on Israel to allow humanitarian aid to Gaza at once. They target ships that have Israeli links or heading to Israeli ports. It can be seen as a form of treat…

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Post by s1artibartfast »

pydry wrote: post #179
wolverine876 wrote: post #157

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Yes, good point. But let's not overestimate leaders' deep strategic thinking or rationality; they can be mislead and emotional too.

Let's also not pretend that Iraq was about WMDs rather than empire. They knew it was a lie.

WMDs would also be about threat to empire.

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Post by badpun »

johnnyworker wrote: post #267
snird wrote: post #256

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What blockade? They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave? There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza.

> They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave? "Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about? > There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza. Ahuh. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-require... > Israel maintained the blockade was necessary to weaken Hamas,…

> "Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about?

Ethic cleansing is about mass relocating people, while genocide is about mass murdering them. They are two different phenomena.

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Post by nvm0n2 »

flandish wrote: post #253
snird wrote: post #224

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> needed They need to leave Gaza alone and not blockade. At. All. How’s that boot taste?

Gaza and Israel are at war, because Gaza attacked Israel. In wars, countries don't normally allow aid in to the state you are fighting. The fact that Israel allow anything in at all shows the extent to which they are fighting with kid gloves. In any other place or any other period of history all goods heading into Gaza would be seized, and the entire territory would be put under siege until they either surrendered completely, or died of starvation/thirst.

After all, Hamas need to eat. If nothing gets into Gaza then Hamas must stop fighting.

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Post by andsoitis »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #225
andsoitis wrote: post #71

> The US set up a multinational naval taskforce to protect the Red Sea transit route, which carries up to 12% of global trade. Reminder that might is needed to create a peaceful space within which peoples can trade.

Is this irony ? That the US is creating a "peaceful space" ?

> Is this irony ? That the US is creating a "peaceful space" ?

Front page on the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67851897

It is worth educating yourself on the role of the US Navy in peace, safety, and stability around the world, including:

- freedom of navigation (which underpins global trade, 70% of which requires sea transport)

- security of global communication networks

- deterrent to intimidation of countries, particularly in South East Asia

- coordinating and supporting disaster relief efforts around the world

- etc.

US Navy and Foreign Policy: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/sea-power-us-navy-and-forei...

History: https://www.fpri.org/article/2010/09/defending-u-s-maritime-...

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