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Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I don't understand the praise of Marginalia.

When I search for "Steve Jobs" on Marginalia, I got blogs about his speech in 2011 and some mailing list from 2007.

When I search for my own name I get nothing. In Google it's just me.

It's cool that one person built all this of course but... that's not a good search result compared to Google?

Maybe I miss something, maybe I use it wrong

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Pretty biased selection of queries. Article avoids the things that ChatGPT and the others without fresh data can't answer. Look at the trending searches on Google. They are all for fresh info that none of the others can answer. Sports scores. Google probably judges quality weighted by the questions their users actually ask, not this nerd bullshit.

How is a youtube downloader biased to fresh results? Seems to cover a pretty broad test.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I don't understand the praise of Marginalia. When I search for "Steve Jobs" on Marginalia, I got blogs about his speech in 2011 and some mailing list from 2007. When I search for my own name I get nothing. In Google it's just me. It's cool that one person built all this of course but... that's not a good search result compared to Google? Maybe I miss something, maybe I use it wrong

What do you expect when you search for Steve Jobs? Also, which filter did you use?

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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For me the problem is not just that searching on Google is bad, but that sometimes it COMPLETELY hides exactly what I'm looking, for no good reason. For instance, I wrote an R ggplot2 package called "fedplot" (following the convention of calling the package for the figure style it replicates, as in "bbplot" for BBC-style charts). Try searching for it on Google: "github" "fedplot" doesn't get you anywhere. Meanwhile,…

Searching for "fedplot" looking for https://github.com/sergiocorreia in the results: Qwant: Result 1 Bing: Result 1 Google: Result 2 Marginalia: Zero results ChatGPT 3.5: Some Federal Reserve dot plot nonsense and no useful results.

You're never going to find github results on Marginalia as long as they block 3rd party crawlers :-/

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That.. is kind of the point of this particular search engine. > This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed.

Well that makes sense, but I wanted to push against the result that the OP seems to take away from their test, which was that Marginalia seems to work well for the common user.

There's also a known bug with Wikipedia in particular, I do index it but the results are never ranked particularly high. I haven't fixed it because I don't want Wikipedia to be the #1 result for every search. Feels like most people are aware of Wikipedia and don't need help finding it.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It works not because they're somehow smarter or have more resources than Google at detecting spam/SEO, it's because unlike Google (and other ad-supported search engines), they make money from result quality and have an interest in blocking spam. Google on the other hand makes money off ads (whether on the search results page itself or on the spam sites), so spam sites are at best considered neutral and at worst consi…

Kagi works because there is no incentive for SEO manipulators to target it since their market share is so small. Super tinfoil hat to believe Google wants to send users to blog spam websites (e.g. beneficial to Google). Anytime there is money to be made, there is an effectively infinite amount of people trying to game the system.

It's never tinfoil-hat to assume that a corporation is, at very least, making sure not to fight too hard against any activity that brings it more revenue.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Current Kagi results for those without an account to compare: youtube downloader https://kagi.com/search?q=youtube+downloader&r=us&sh=_szITdy... ad blocker https://kagi.com/search?q=Ad+blocker&r=us&sh=-BHzV2ZoCDpmgOu... download Firefox https://kagi.com/search?q=Download+Firefox&r=us&sh=zkkmc_EQX... why do wider tires have better grip? https://kagi.com/search?q=Why+do+wider+tires+have+better+gri... why do they keep m…

Kagi gives me websites that require more clicking; Google just gives me reasonable answers and I don't see spam in your examples. "why do wider tires have better grip?" Wider tires provide more grip due to a larger contact patch with the road. While it's true that friction is not directly dependent on surface area, a larger contact patch allows for more even weight distribution and better traction, particularly durin…

My only gripe with these quick answers or excerpts is sometimes it doesn’t fully give the context. After it’s given me couple wrong results I stop trusting it and always read the source. If I were to read the source might as well click into the website and read the whole thing.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

#248

I would love to see Perplexity.ai in the benchmark. It has completely replaced Google/DDG for information questions for me. I still use DDG when I want to do a navigational query (e.g. find the URL for a blog i partially recall the name).

I've been really enjoying Perplexity as well. It's a much better Internet/search focused experience than ChatGPT, Bing, or Bard. For anyone interested, until the new year (~20 more hours?) there's a code for 2mo free Pro: https://twitter.com/perplexity_ai/status/1738255102191022359 (more file uploads, choose your model including GPT4)

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I'm in the camp of those who think Google's results are still very good. I admit I use adblock (uBlock Origin) and won't even try to disable it. I understand the author's point of turning off their ad blocker "to get the non-expert browsing experience" but then they could make a different test with uBlock on for every query and see how it goes. It's also a bit inconsistent to expect results for downloading videos men…

When I do a Google search in an Incognito tab for "how to download youtube videos", the first two results I get are the following. - https://msunduziassociation.online/perfect-online-videos/ - https://gssaction.org/program-all-in-one-media-solutions/ I would certainly put those in the "Terrible" category like the author.

Did you click either of those links?

Both seem to do the job of downloading a youtube link to mp4 for free.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

#250

There’s something incredibly entertaining to me about even this well researched article struggling to find a reason for why wider tyres have more grip. As I understand it, this is because tyres are still somewhat of a mystery, and anyone outside of a laboratory really doesn’t know shit. The best explanation I can think of is due to tyre load sensitivity. The friction coefficient of rubber decreases with normal force…

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/

gives good tyre advice (obviously not car tyres, but info is there)

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