I have a small page that modifies my get requests to google by adding -site:… for a bunch of most annoying content farms for stuff I search often (docs)
Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kagi mixes google, bing, some non-profit small-web SE, and their own index.
I don't think they use Bing, but yes, Google, Marginalia, Yandex, Brave and others. I still fail to see how that's different to DuckDuckGo, who also run their own crawler. It's really weird that people are almost hating on DuckDuckGo for how they run their search engine, while applauding Kagi, for doing the same, but with a different business model.
I also assume that Kagi uses some shady residential IPs proxies and similar tricks to scrap Google while DDG has access to the Bing API.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
The return of something like Yahoo Directory would be most welcome. There is great utility in having more than one approach into a data space. That we have been stuck with essentially one way in for over a decade means that there is a great deal out there which would be great to access but which has been rendered invisible.
https://ooh.directory/
this is awesome! thanks
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#224> Here's a fun experiment to try. Take an open source project such as yt-dlp and try to find it from a very generic term like "youtube downloader". You won't be able to find it because of all of the content farms that try to rank at the top for that term. Even though yt-dlp is probably actually what you want for a tool to download video from YouTube.
Is that true? Do most people want to install a command line tool to download youtube videos?
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#225I'm in the camp of those who think Google's results are still very good. I admit I use adblock (uBlock Origin) and won't even try to disable it. I understand the author's point of turning off their ad blocker "to get the non-expert browsing experience" but then they could make a different test with uBlock on for every query and see how it goes. It's also a bit inconsistent to expect results for downloading videos men…
When I do a Google search in an Incognito tab for "how to download youtube videos", the first two results I get are the following.
- https://msunduziassociation.online/perfect-online-videos/
- https://gssaction.org/program-all-in-one-media-solutions/
I would certainly put those in the "Terrible" category like the author.
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#226There’s something incredibly entertaining to me about even this well researched article struggling to find a reason for why wider tyres have more grip.
As I understand it, this is because tyres are still somewhat of a mystery, and anyone outside of a laboratory really doesn’t know shit. The best explanation I can think of is due to tyre load sensitivity. The friction coefficient of rubber decreases with normal force (E.g, a heavily loaded tyre has a lower friction coefficient), which is a pretty well accepted fact, this is one of the methods engineers will use to tune the handling of cars. This means a wider tyre has a lower force per unit area of the contact patch, which means it’ll have a higher friction coefficient.
Now that sounds plausible to me, but that’s just my best guess explanation.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#227I'm in the camp of those who think Google's results are still very good. I admit I use adblock (uBlock Origin) and won't even try to disable it. I understand the author's point of turning off their ad blocker "to get the non-expert browsing experience" but then they could make a different test with uBlock on for every query and see how it goes. It's also a bit inconsistent to expect results for downloading videos men…
When I do a Google search in an Incognito tab for "how to download youtube videos", the first two results I get are the following. - https://msunduziassociation.online/perfect-online-videos/ - https://gssaction.org/program-all-in-one-media-solutions/ I would certainly put those in the "Terrible" category like the author.
I get savefrom.net in both Incognito and normal tabs, uBlock or not. I have no idea why you get crap results that are somehow different. uBlock doesn't change google results in Firefox for me at all. It seems you get crap added, not removed.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#228> Here's a fun experiment to try. Take an open source project such as yt-dlp and try to find it from a very generic term like "youtube downloader". You won't be able to find it because of all of the content farms that try to rank at the top for that term. Even though yt-dlp is probably actually what you want for a tool to download video from YouTube. Is that true? Do most people want to install a command line tool to…
No. They want sites like savefrom.net - which is hit number one on Google.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they use Bing, but yes, Google, Marginalia, Yandex, Brave and others. I still fail to see how that's different to DuckDuckGo, who also run their own crawler. It's really weird that people are almost hating on DuckDuckGo for how they run their search engine, while applauding Kagi, for doing the same, but with a different business model.
I also assume that Kagi uses some shady residential IPs proxies and similar tricks to scrap Google while DDG has access to the Bing API.
You can buy access to the Google Search API, which is what I assume Kagi does. Building your product on being able to circumvent some Google restrictions seems like a bad business move, if you can buy the same service for a reasonable price.
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#230This makes so much sense why people think search results are bad. Great results for "Download youtube videos" is "Ideally, the top hit would be yt-dlp or a thin, graphical, wrapper around yt-dlp" Just give me a website where I can plug in the DL link and download it to my hard drive. I don't care what package they are using (I don't worry about malware like I did in the 90s). 99.999% of people are not programming tin…
The first result on Kagi is exactly this, just tried it a moment ago. It processed and downloaded the video extremely fast. Why would any reasonable person prefer youtube-dl?
It is the same using Google.