For the ad blocker results, the author judges the search engines by how they rank the best result (uBlock Origin), but I think that search results that point to Adblock Plus or AdBlock are good enough. Sure, they do not block all ads, and take money from advertisers to allow through certain types of ads, but they still block ads in general, and 'acceptable ads' can be disabled in the settings. So I would consider these 'good results', rather than 'bad results'/'very bad results' as the author does.
Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I do a Google search in an Incognito tab for "how to download youtube videos", the first two results I get are the following. - https://msunduziassociation.online/perfect-online-videos/ - https://gssaction.org/program-all-in-one-media-solutions/ I would certainly put those in the "Terrible" category like the author.
I get savefrom.net in both Incognito and normal tabs, uBlock or not. I have no idea why you get crap results that are somehow different. uBlock doesn't change google results in Firefox for me at all. It seems you get crap added , not removed.
I searched with Chrome, perhaps that's the difference. Firefox also blocks some ads out-of-the-box even without uBlock, so maybe it was already blocked.
It could also be related to targeting, like time zone, location, IP address, age group etc.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#233I noticed that the author uses ChatGPT3.5 rather than 4, which is a rather large difference. I don't have the knowledge to rerank all questions the author asked, but I will say that a test of ChatGPT 4 leads me directly to youtube-dl, which is better than every other search engine listed.
That was the first thing I checked reading the article. Although the argument would be 3.5 is free - any comparison of systems against ChatGPT that isn't using ChatGPT 4 can be dismissed almost out of hand; there is not much point talking about ChatGPT if it's not using ChatGPT 4 and making proper use of its capabilities. That is not to say that there aren't valid criticisms of and shortcomings in ChatGPT 4 - just th…
>any comparison of systems against ChatGPT that isn't using ChatGPT 4 can be dismissed almost out of hand
Does everyone or even most use ChatGPT 4? The most used version is -of course- by far the most relevant.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#234I have a small page that modifies my get requests to google by adding -site:… for a bunch of most annoying content farms for stuff I search often (docs)
Have you tried uBlacklist?
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#235Try uBlacklist, it's like uBlock, but for search results. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublacklist/ https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublacklist/pncfbmia... You can sync the settings and your personal blocklist to either Dropbox or Google Drive. It also has the ability to subscribe to blocklists. Mind, you need to manually turn on search engines and subscribe to lists. The uBlacklist subscript…
This is amazing, I was maintaining my own custom solution that did this.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#236I'm in the camp of those who think Google's results are still very good. I admit I use adblock (uBlock Origin) and won't even try to disable it. I understand the author's point of turning off their ad blocker "to get the non-expert browsing experience" but then they could make a different test with uBlock on for every query and see how it goes. It's also a bit inconsistent to expect results for downloading videos men…
I'm also in the same camp who think search results from Google is very good but ChatGPT based search with RAG is better, granted it's a paid version. The latter however is kind of experimental, personally would love to have another column on ChatGPT with RAG (Bing) and the fact the author ignored RAG is rather strange.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#237I'm in the camp of those who think Google's results are still very good. I admit I use adblock (uBlock Origin) and won't even try to disable it. I understand the author's point of turning off their ad blocker "to get the non-expert browsing experience" but then they could make a different test with uBlock on for every query and see how it goes. It's also a bit inconsistent to expect results for downloading videos men…
When I do a Google search in an Incognito tab for "how to download youtube videos", the first two results I get are the following. - https://msunduziassociation.online/perfect-online-videos/ - https://gssaction.org/program-all-in-one-media-solutions/ I would certainly put those in the "Terrible" category like the author.
My top 2 (incognito) are blog posts from pcmag.com and zdnet.com listing 5 ways to download YT videos. Maybe it's blogspam, but the listed services seem valid at first glance.
savefrom.net is the 5th result (2nd page underneath 5 youtube videos)
Edit: This is from the US. If i had to guess, these are regional differences. What country are you in?
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#238For me the problem is not just that searching on Google is bad, but that sometimes it COMPLETELY hides exactly what I'm looking, for no good reason. For instance, I wrote an R ggplot2 package called "fedplot" (following the convention of calling the package for the figure style it replicates, as in "bbplot" for BBC-style charts). Try searching for it on Google: "github" "fedplot" doesn't get you anywhere. Meanwhile,…
Searching for "fedplot" looking for https://github.com/sergiocorreia in the results:
Qwant: Result 1
Bing: Result 1
Google: Result 2
Marginalia: Zero results
ChatGPT 3.5: Some Federal Reserve dot plot nonsense and no useful results.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
hope kagi takes ddg place in terms of adoption. never really liked ddg even though i always care about privacy.
I really don't get that sentiment. Currently Kagi is just as dependent on Google as DuckDuckGo is on Bing. That might only be temporary of course and Kagi does seem to be working on a search engine of their own. Rather than wanting Kagi to take the place of DuckDuckGo, it would would be better if Kagi could take users from Google, and then when ready, drop Google as a search provider.
DDG used to be the HN darling and you would get downvoted for saying anything negative or even insinuating that they are relying on Bing. Now the spot has been overtaken by Kagi but it looks like it suffers from the same problems. The counterargument that they have their own index as well is the same that was used for DDG, when the reality was that it was only used for widgets and other fluff. Let's see how it plays out for Kagi.
Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The !bang directory for Kagi is honestly pretty good, found some cool sites there: https://duckduckgo.com/bangs
Did you mean to say Kagi or Bing? Anyway, here’s Kagi’s bangs: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/bangs.html
> Note that Kagi supports all DuckDuckGo-style bangs.
You can also make your own bangs.
That said, my point was that the bang directory has a bunch of the most useful sites in each category.