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'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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And why is that?

Presumably because the underlying cause of suicidal desires can be temporary, and people who end up not following through may later be glad they didn't.

People who do follow through won’t care anymore.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to learn more. Do you have any references re. Canada?

I'm not going to link to specific articles or examples because people will meticulously comb the ones I choose to dismiss them individually, when the real issue is about systems and incentives on a broader scale. The program is called "medical assistance in dying" commonly referred to as MAID. A lot has been written about it the last few years. As you look, I highly recommend prioritizing the words of disabled and ch…

FWIW, I wasn't taunting you to get a reply I could poke holes into. What you describe seems like a plausible outcome to me; I was just curious about a write-up (even if anecdotal).

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.

The idea of "brought into the world" somehow establishes that we were somewhere before. What would that be?

This is the interesting thing about many so-called “modern” positions: they are built on premodern foundations. Eternal souls are obviously nonsense, according to this view, however, they act as if everyone is randomly placed into a body before birth. From where? Unclear, but identity still seems to persist there.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More realistically chronically ill, mentally ill, and disabled people will be increasingly pressured into this "alternative" by the medical and welfare systems, as is already happening in canada. Exactly as predicted years ago by disabled people, exactly as dismissed then as a slippery slope. It's not a fallacy when there's prior art!

I'm curious to learn more. Do you have any references re. Canada?

> Roger Foley, who has a degenerative brain disorder and is hospitalized in London, Ontario, was so alarmed by staffers mentioning euthanasia that he began secretly recording some of their conversations.

> In one recording obtained by the AP, the hospital's director of ethics told Foley that for him to remain in the hospital, it would cost "north of $1,500 a day." Foley replied that mentioning fees felt like coercion and asked what plan there was for his long-term care.

> "Roger, this is not my show," the ethicist responded. "My piece of this was to talk to you, (to see) if you had an interest in assisted dying."

> Foley said he had never previously mentioned euthanasia. The hospital says there is no prohibition on staff raising the issue.

Canada, where the healthcare is “free”, but if you cost too much they’ll encourage you to kill yourself.

https://reason.com/2022/09/07/some-canadian-health-care-pati...

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

#47

Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.

The idea of "brought into the world" somehow establishes that we were somewhere before. What would that be?

That is a philosophical question that doesn't have a clear answer. Personally, I don't remember anything before the time I was born, it was nothingness.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.

That's one view. The Hindu view is that we all chose to be born and most suicide has very negative consequences. The one exception is Prayopavesa.

I would expect that if one has chosen to be here, it would be reasonable to allow them to decide whether the consequences for leaving are justified

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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I think it’s funny that this page has a “If you or someone you know is struggling or in mental health crisis …” blurb at the bottom. This is like Bud Light saying “please drink responsibly”. The entire point of this invention seems to be to lower the barrier to entry to suicide, so a statement discouraging suicide seems to me a strange thing to follow with.

This is an american website reporting on something they disapprove of in switzerland, not an advertisement.
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