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> 200-300k base with 15% annual bonus and equity ($300k-750k when I was working at public companies. I can't speak to my portfolio company's equity practices) is not a shit wage That was what we were offering, but we were also demanding on quality and skill required. We ended up getting some top performers in Israel and India for a fraction, despite being ready to pay the above.
I don’t believe you couldn’t find anyone for 750k. At least throw out a believable number. Also you know very well that the majority of H1b is for generic web dev jobs and not OS internals or whatever you were hiring for.
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#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. Nobody said you get citizenship. Just a work visa not tied to an employer.
Work visas and education visas are two different things that should be treated separately.
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Getting a degree simply indicates to the market that you have the ability to learn and the mental building blocks to start learning the ropes. Until you do it, you don’t know how to do it. In other words, juniors fumble around and make lots of mistakes - that’s how they get good.
> simply indicates to the market that you have the ability to learn I took networking, os, data structures, etc. in my degree. It taught me a lot more than "how to learn".
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It's a great deal for them. It's not the best deal for us, though, since they're not part of our tax base, nor are they growing families and social networks here for us to benefit from. It's a great outcome morally (Latam, African, and Asian countries deserve greater participation in global industries), but the one thing it doesn't do is optimize for the interests of America.
I think the long term interests of ordinary Americans are better served by having a stable population and culture without significant immigration. I have a theory that America is so relatively libertarian and ungovernable because of the immigration of all these rootless people who are willing to leave everything behind for economic reasons, who feel relatively weaker affinity to other Americans. I think we’re seeing…
2. American immigrants feel a very high amount of affinity with the US and the opportunities afford to them by the country, regardless of how much affinity they feel towards their neighbours. I think the main problem is that native born Americans feel a fairly low amount affinity towards each other - and that has little to do with immigration.
3. I think having a low immigration, stagnant tech and finance sectors is probably beneficial to the median person who is already in the US and doesn't really wanna work that hard and compete with immigrants. I agree with you there. If you go to Australia the ones who are getting the highest grades, becoming doctors and lawyers, buying expensive properties are all immigrants (usually East Asian / South Asian). If you want to relax and just enjoy life without working hard Europe is absolutely ideal for you.
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you're born in certain countries with long wait time, you get -inf points. Re-read the parent comment again. They say "point-based system [...] regardless of national origin", which implies that the origin country wouldn't have any effect aka point-value (neither negative nor positive) attached to it. > if you're an illegal migrant and claim asylum, you get +inf points Bringing up the asylum visa category makes…
Ok, so you want to make a system that does not include some otherwise very popular criteria to the citizens of the host nation? Because... it benefits you?
All I was trying to say that the point of the comment i was replying to was making a faulty statement “well, the way you explain it is already how it works under conditions XYZ” with a “those XYZ conditions you mention directly contradict the premise you are addressing.”
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#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have to look far, Canada has already implemented a point based system for granting permanent residence to skilled workers. It assigns scores to applicants based on education, skills, employment offer, language speaking ability, etc. I believe it can be a good starting point for a more objective selection criteria than the current system which is more based on luck. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refug…
Isn't Canada full of foreign PhDs driving taxis because they qualify for permanent residence on points but then can't get jobs because employers want "Canadian work experience"? Canada also has a major housing crisis due to not building enough housing for population growth (which is entirely immigration, Canada's population would shrink without it). Doesn't seem their system works very well in practice. At least the…
Housing crisis is because of unsustainably high immigration levels.
In 2023 alone, there was a net inflow of over 1.3 million people. It's a lot for a country of 39 million. Where will they live?
Another major issue is the suppression of wages this causes.
Also there is a serious lack of diversity in the immigrant population (no cap by country as in the US). This is tearing apart the cultural fabric of communities.
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the long term interests of ordinary Americans are better served by having a stable population and culture without significant immigration. I have a theory that America is so relatively libertarian and ungovernable because of the immigration of all these rootless people who are willing to leave everything behind for economic reasons, who feel relatively weaker affinity to other Americans. I think we’re seeing…
1. America was built on people willing to leave everything behind for all sorts of reasons. America is great because of it. 2. American immigrants feel a very high amount of affinity with the US and the opportunities afford to them by the country, regardless of how much affinity they feel towards their neighbours. I think the main problem is that native born Americans feel a fairly low amount affinity towards each ot…
America is great because it was founded by rule following British people with a long tradition of self governance. What’s come after that is debatable. It’s certainly made America rich, I’ll give you that.
> 2. American immigrants feel a very high amount of affinity with the US and the opportunities afford to them by the country, regardless of how much affinity they feel towards their neighbours.
Yes, but what is the “US” they feel affinity for? I think the “US” they have affinity for us a very shallow concept. It’s not like say the French or Chinese that have a thousand years of shared history they identify with. My whole family is immigrants. My parents just got back from visiting family in Canada and Australia and were complaining about how much better America is. But what is America to them? They don’t care about Appalachians, or the constitution, etc. They like that you can make a lot of money and live in much bigger houses than in Australia or Canada.
> I think the main problem is that native born Americans feel a fairly low amount affinity towards each other - and that has little to do with immigration.
I think the two things are directly correlated. The vast majority of people don’t want to leave their home countries. That means the ones that immigrate tend to be the ones that have weaker social ties. And I strongly suspect that persists for at least a couple of generations within family cultures—if only because it takes longer than that to really develop deep and broad family networks in the country. But most Americans are just a couple of generations away from those initial immigrants. (None of Donald Trump’s grandparents were born in America.)
> 3. I think having a low immigration, stagnant tech and finance sectors is probably beneficial to the median person who is already in the US and doesn't really wanna work that hard and compete with immigrants. I agree with you there. If you go to Australia the ones who are getting the highest grades, becoming doctors and lawyers, buying expensive properties are all immigrants (usually East Asian / South Asian).
I agree. So I think where we differ is on whether that’s a good thing or not. A bunch of my family is exactly that kind of immigrant to Australia. They’re doing well individually. But does that make the country better for the median Australian that’s already there?
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I don’t believe you couldn’t find anyone for 750k. At least throw out a believable number. Also you know very well that the majority of H1b is for generic web dev jobs and not OS internals or whatever you were hiring for.
They probably made ridiculous requirements on the listing to show they posted the job and could not find people that met the description so they could hire an H1B
Kinda telling that the so called smart people who have trouble getting hired have no clue that that's not a requirement for H1B.
The midwest is not sending their best.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. America was built on people willing to leave everything behind for all sorts of reasons. America is great because of it. 2. American immigrants feel a very high amount of affinity with the US and the opportunities afford to them by the country, regardless of how much affinity they feel towards their neighbours. I think the main problem is that native born Americans feel a fairly low amount affinity towards each ot…
> 1. America was built on people willing to leave everything behind for all sorts of reasons. America is great because of it. America is great because it was founded by rule following British people with a long tradition of self governance. What’s come after that is debatable. It’s certainly made America rich, I’ll give you that. > 2. American immigrants feel a very high amount of affinity with the US and the opportu…
Their love of rules and self-governance was so great they had to leave their rule-following, self-government-enjoyer country where they called them 'non-conformists'. This doesn't really add up.
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#440I'm a little surprised to see a number of anti-immigraiton comments on this thread, some of which you could describe as reactionary. The US is and always has been a country of immigrants. Your idea of who is and isn't an immigrant is simply a question of what time window you choose. In 1800, the US had a population of ~2 million. by 1900 it was ~50 million. You want to guess how itt got that way? Let's dispense of th…
> The US is and always has been a country of immigrants Settlers founding new places are different from immigrants. The US was created by British settlers. Its language, laws, political system, and to a great extent its culture are British. If you look at various statistics, the Anglo countries share strong commonalities, even though people of British descent are now a distinct minority in the US (while being a major…
Various Native American tribes — estimated population in 1492: 60 million [0] — would like a word.
[0] https://theworld.org/stories/2019-01-31/european-colonizatio...