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Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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I think with the state of things, Amazon should be completely banned from selling anything that might be construed a supplement. They have such lax controls that your protein powder or vitamin pills might contain pretty much anything. Even reputable brands bought from their brand storefront might be counterfeit [1]. You’d be shocked at the number of things that are counterfeit. A friend of mine recently bought a nich…

I used to think my wife was silly for spending more at beauty stores for her skincare products, but after realizing how insane Amazon's quality controls are, I think someone needs to actually shut them down. I wonder if there are any grounds for lawsuits. The number of counterfeit products they sell, even under "Sold by Amazon.com" is WILD. Zero supply chain discipline.

Beauty products are in the ballpark but are also a different ball game. Unless you're licensed or very educated on what chemicals and chemical combinations do to your skin picking beauty products can be tough. My partner is an esthetician and most of what she spends her time doing is helping people pick products that won't adversely impact their skin or just do nothing. Beauty is chalk full of fake products and worse influencers who push them onto unsuspecting/unknowing people. It's given rise to an industry of estheticians who don't make money on purchases but who collect a fee to just help you sift through the bullshit.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#253
Recently, I noticed that Amazon removed the listed ingredients for regular items like toothpaste, shampoos, and mouthwashes. Initially, I thought it was a mistake for a couple of items I regularly buy, but it seems they have removed this information for many products. I'm not sure what the intention behind this change is. My suspicion now (after this article) is that they are doing it deliberately, allowing them to claim that the page doesn't list ingredients for any item.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#254

I purchased a vitamin c supplement that was pure white and odorless/tasteless. I posted a review and photos. Obviously fake filler of some sort, Amazon removed my review as inaccurate when it's obvious whatever was in those capsules was not ascorbic acid of any kind. They also claimed to have zinc (greenish) and elderberry (purple). It's not safe for Amazon to let any random exporter put stuff for sale without any sa…

Vitamin C is odorless and pure white, so maybe your review was right to be removed.

It’s not tasteless of course, it’s sour.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't think "accidentally" is something that happened here. What's the best way to make your "all-natural Viagra" actually work? Make it with real Viagra.

I’d be surprised if the buyers were expecting any different. With the amount of mislabelled product out there in circulation (and presumably a general lack of harm), does it still make sense to require a prescription?

I'm personally pretty torn on that. On the one hand I agree with you, especially from a harm-reduction perspective (e.g. people who are on blood pressure medication ordering "natural" Viagra because Viagra's contra-indicated with the medication they're on, not realizing that they're getting something that could cause a very bad situation). On the other hand, requiring a prescription does mean that a physician can ask that question ("are you on blood pressure medication?") and counsel the patient to look at different options instead.

I mean, even though 50% of these are intentional overdoses... the other 50% probably didn't know they were doing something that was going to destroy their liver: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK441917/

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#256

I’m glad the conclusion says the products lists are not the only ones to which this letter applies. Otherwise Amazon could just remove the products mentioned and make the FDA play wack-a-mole. As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This stuff can kill people and it is impossible for the average person to protect themselves.

I don’t want to sound like a nut job, but please look into how much the FDA hampers drug trails.

If you understand how tough it is in one case, think how many trails yearly never get done because of the FDA.

The amount of benefit vs. the amount of deaths caused by the FDA being slow likely means many more are deaths at the hands of the FDA than you expect.

Cracking down on supplements that people take voluntary hardly seems like something I’m pleased they meddle with too.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This isn't what anybody objects to about the FDA. "You have to list what's in the product" is a simple rule that every knows, is easy to comply with, and doesn't require any government interaction even in the case of a suspected violation because the FDA can just buy the product to test it and compare the la…

Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.

> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold.

Why?

If someone buys deadly nightshade, and gets deadly nightshade, why should the government care?

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This isn't what anybody objects to about the FDA. "You have to list what's in the product" is a simple rule that every knows, is easy to comply with, and doesn't require any government interaction even in the case of a suspected violation because the FDA can just buy the product to test it and compare the la…

Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.

"A business should only be permitted to exist if the government allows it."

What could go wrong?

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#259

I’m glad the conclusion says the products lists are not the only ones to which this letter applies. Otherwise Amazon could just remove the products mentioned and make the FDA play wack-a-mole. As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This stuff can kill people and it is impossible for the average person to protect themselves.

I don’t want to sound like a nut job, but please look into how much the FDA hampers drug trails. If you understand how tough it is in one case, think how many trails yearly never get done because of the FDA. The amount of benefit vs. the amount of deaths caused by the FDA being slow likely means many more are deaths at the hands of the FDA than you expect. Cracking down on supplements that people take voluntary hardl…

You're only taking them voluntarily if they are what they say they are, if as in this case they aren't you aren't meaningfully taking them voluntarily.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

#260
Amazon was a great site! I still remember buying my first converse from amazon in 2011. Back then, there were no nike stores in my town in India and i badly wanted one. I bought from a few local resellers who sold me duplicate products and i wasted a lot of my money on that.

Now, the tables have turned. If i want a genuine product, i often shop locally rather than amazon. They even messed up my socks and sent duplicate versions of fairly common books like harry potter.

The whole site seems to be promoting bad products, placing something not even Remotely close to my searches. "Looking for a yoga mat? Here's a chinese fitness tracker we think you might be interested in".. the fuck??

On top of that, the bad quality supplements they sell are just nerve wrecking. Almost no information is factual, No usage guidelines, nothing. And the reviews are just another scam by themselves!

All in all, it's a really bad product now!

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