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Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Post by dehrmann »

ta988 wrote: post #90
TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

If you replace the Calcium with chalk you would still have a source of calcium so it wouldn't be that bad :D

It's better than that. According to Wikipedia

> Chalk is typically almost pure calcite, CaCO3, with just 2% to 4% of other minerals

The supplement I just looked up uses Calcium Carbonate. That could just be purified chalk and be in compliance with the FDA. In fact, it probably is just that.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Post by gruez »

floatrock wrote: post #38
gruez wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I checked a random amazon basics powerstrip and there's an ETL certification mark on them. As much as it's popular to hate on amazon for fakes/subquality products, your particular example is a poor one. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/MEDIAX_792452-T2/images/...

EV Chargers then. Search for Level 2 EV Charger. The number of generic chineesium chargers available that will move 40amps of power in your garage without UL or ETL certification is mind-boggingly high. I've seen some advertise "UL Safety Report", which I assume is weasel-words for "We failed UL certification so we can't actually say the magic phrase 'UL Listed'". I've seen some claim to be UL Listed without being ab…

>EV Chargers then. Search for Level 2 EV Charger. The number of generic chineesium chargers available that will move 40amps of power in your garage without UL or ETL certification is mind-boggingly high.

Sounds like you're talking about third party EV chargers. What does this have to do with amazon basics? Or are you pulling a motte and bailey, going from "amazon basics is going to burn down your house" to "third party EV chargers are going to burn down your house"?

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Post by blibble »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #5

Nothing bought on Amazon should be consumed or applied topically or otherwise come into prolonged contact with your body. I learned this the hard way a few years back with some counterfeit shampoo that severely burned my scalp after a single use.

or left plugged into the mains unattended

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Post by rincebrain »

Wingman4l7 wrote: post #103
ta988 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reviews are transferable? I was wondering because many reviews I have seen don't seem to be for the product I am looking at at all.

It's a tactic that's been abused by third-party sellers for a long time now. They list a product, organize a bunch of paid-for 5-star reviews on another platform (you buy the product, submit a 5-star review, and they refund you the purchase cost, so you get the item for free), and then once all those 5-star reviews are in place, they eventually re-use the product page for another item entirely. It baffles me that Ama…

Nominally, this might make sense with a "people liked the v1 of this and now it's a different SKU", with a note about it being for something else.

In practice, it seems very likely harm outweighs the benefits for consumers here, and it's just that it encourages more sales that keeps Amazon allowing it.

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Post by tonyarkles »

epmaybe wrote: post #133
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Whether or not that's true, if you replaced someone's magnesium supplement with viagra , you could seriously hurt them. >> FDA confirmed through laboratory analyses that the [...] products, purchased on www.amazon.com, contained [...] the active ingredients in…

holy crap, that’s insane. You don’t just accidentally add sildenafil or tadalafil to your supplements. Unless the FDA is misidentifying compounds present in the herbs in these supplements, which seems unlikely but I’m no pharmacology expert.

Yeah, I don't think "accidentally" is something that happened here. What's the best way to make your "all-natural Viagra" actually work? Make it with real Viagra.

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Post by voidee »

dboreham wrote: post #29
jeffrallen wrote: post #4

Cool! Now do their crappy cords that are likely to burn down your house. Amazon Basics should be terminated with prejudice.

Nanny state socialism! The market should take care of dangerous products. Nobody is going to buy such a cord twice.

Of course nobody will buy a dangerous product twice. You can’t buy another product after being burned to a crisp!

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Post by hammock »

TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

> most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk.

Minerals and vitamins come from USP, which is tested and regulated and everyone in the industry gets the same quality (regardless of what they claim). It is what they say it is, if it’s USP.

Where is gets sketchy quickly is all the other stuff, like plant extracts etc

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Post by asquabventured »

alexpotato wrote: post #113
ta988 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reviews are transferable? I was wondering because many reviews I have seen don't seem to be for the product I am looking at at all.

A personal example: - I order a large tweezer for cooking etc - It works great! - End up losing it so "order again" a year later and it's clearly a different product/manufacturer etc

Reading reviews of Chinese clone items you'll also start to see people mention an entire different product in the review than what you're looking at.

E.g you're looking at a mattress cover and the reviews and pictures are for a folding chair or a slotted spoon.

The internet of today is total trash.

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Post by dahart »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82
dahart wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is available on the black market, that doesn’t mean regulations are BS, it means people are willing to risk breaking the law to avoid being tracked. The demand for Viagra might have more to do with being embarassed about ED or other fears than with concern about the difficulty of getting it legally. (As another commenter pointed out, the bar is extremely low when using online remote clinics.) What does “me…

> What does “merely-harmful” mean? Drugs that really only harm the person who takes them if abused. Alternatively, drugs which are unproblematically sold over the counter the world over. > Everything is available on the black market Available versus commonly procured. > that doesn’t mean regulations are BS, it means people are willing to risk breaking the law to avoid being tracked It means they’re willing to break r…

> We can’t impute motivation.

Correct, you’re right, I was speculating on alternative reasons people might avoid the doctor. We also don’t have evidence that the cost or time of a doctors visit is the reason for the existence of the black market demand, contrary to your claim above.

Of course, a huge risk for black market purchases is that they turn out to be fake and/or have unlisted harmful ingredients. It’s already happening with black market Viagra. You get what you pay for, which is people who are breaking the law, are secretive and unaccountable, and putting anything they want in those pills. Good luck with that. A co-pay and a quick Zoom call with a doc seems like a safer choice to me…

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Post by jordanpg »

exegete wrote: post #118
TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

>Now that I'm over 40, I do everything right (daily exercise, eat healthy, get sleep, etc) and still feel like shit most of the day....same with most my age... I’m nearing 40. Are you sure it’s normal to feel terrible most of the day when eating right, exercising, and getting enough sleep? This doesn’t sound normal to me.

I think OP was being a little hyperbolic, but I know what they mean. Little things add up. Certain minor issues become chronic. Waking up with minor aches and pains is somewhat frequent. Sleep issues are common.

It falls short of feeling like shit, but there is a kind of death by many cuts that changes the baseline for feeling normal in the wrong direction.

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