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Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by neverrroot »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #88
neverrroot wrote: post #87

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Not only, psychological consequences, lack of socialization, potentially lack of sun exposure, lack of getting medical checkups or adequate treatment etc.

Would depend on the individual right. Not everyone requires socialisation. Isolation doesn't mean lack of sun exposure. Medical checkups would depend on the age and healthiness of the person.

I was talking about risks in general population, those are not zero, in spite of some individuals who post factum may turn out just fine after 10 years of isolation.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

lawlessone wrote: post #83
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #60

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> Well yes, in completely absurd and unrealistic situation the risk of taking vaccine might be larger than that of Covid-19. What about a person living in simple solitude who works remotely and orders everything in? This is a realistic, non-absurd scenario and they would possibly risk getting Covid-19 on their way to the appointment of getting the vaccine.

> What about a person living in simple solitude who works remotely and orders everything in? This is a realistic, non-absurd scenario and they would possibly risk getting Covid-19 on their way to the appointment of getting the vaccine. The biggest whine from anti-vaxers was that they were being told they needed a vaccine to do social things they enjoyed , like air travel or coughing on the elderly. I don't think you'…

If you do a lot of social events I agree that calculations will show that you should likely get vaccinated.

None the less doesn't mean that calculations show that to every one.

Whatever "anti-vaxers" think doesn't change the calculations.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by guraf »

gumballindie wrote: post #62
fwungy wrote: post #55

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People monitored via 5g by the angry agi goddess. Truly, this flat earth of our’s is magnificent. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Ridiculing people who are worried about long term effects of something that has been in use for only a few years is such an HN thing.

There's countless precedent for things once touted as being safe to turn out incredibly damaging. We just don't know the long term effect yet. Please spare me with the "but there's no mechanism for it to do harm!!!!!" the same was said for all the other drugs that ended up causing cancer or malformed babies and were only pulled from the market after decades of "nutjobs" being dismissed for suggesting a link.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

ryukafalz wrote: post #89
neverrroot wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only, psychological consequences, lack of socialization, potentially lack of sun exposure, lack of getting medical checkups or adequate treatment etc.

Along with the health drawbacks of a sedentary lifestyle, unless you're vigilant about getting enough intentional exercise to replace the walking around we do over the course of a typical day outside the house.

That's also a weird assumption. The sedentary part. My dream life is owning large amount of land with a house where I can be completely self sustainable, including various automations and this includes having an in-built gym.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by oldgradstudent »

bawolff wrote: post #13
dragonelite wrote: post #8

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We have seen how that went during covid, so dont i wouldn't hold your breath on it. The only hope is competition from China and others initiating a race to the bottom.

I mean, it seemed like it worked pretty well with covid. Vaccine was produced very quickly, and in most countries was free.

It was a bit expensive, and it took some time to ramp up production. Still impressive, though.

The problem was that almost everyone who got the vaccine also caught the disease.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

neverrroot wrote: post #91
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would depend on the individual right. Not everyone requires socialisation. Isolation doesn't mean lack of sun exposure. Medical checkups would depend on the age and healthiness of the person.

I was talking about risks in general population, those are not zero, in spite of some individuals who post factum may turn out just fine after 10 years of isolation.

General population wouldn't strive for being isolated in the first place though.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by maxerickson »

satchlj wrote: post #35
bawolff wrote: post #13

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I mean, it seemed like it worked pretty well with covid. Vaccine was produced very quickly, and in most countries was free.

If by "free" you mean that taxpayers payed huge amounts of money then sure...

It was like $30 a dose or less. Super cheap. Egad.

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by hammock »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #76
lukeck wrote: post #33

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> the ones for the CV vaccine were listed on many pages of tiny text (both from Pfizer and from Moderna) The size of the pages side effects were written on says absolutely nothing about what the side effects are or their severity. > Then there are the long term consequences, many studies keep coming out with surprises (recent buzzword “Ribosomal frameshift” Ribosomal frameshift is in itself not a “long term consequen…

> The size of the pages side effects were written on says absolutely nothing about what the side effects are or their severity. Naive question: Do they say what the side effects are and their severity in an easily accessible manner somewhere?

The official package insert can be read here: https://www.drugs.com/pro/moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html

Re: Moderna's mRNA cancer vaccine works better than thought

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Post by neverrroot »

robbiep wrote: post #34
neverrroot wrote: post #10

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Where, exactly, are the long term consequences of mRNA vaccination for SARS-CoV-2? Compared with, say, actually developing COVID? (Please note I’m not arguing that receiving a COVID mRNA vaccine is entirely risk free, however on a risk weighted basis receiving a COVID vaccine is much safer than having COVID)

To me the biggest risk is still the unknown, as in not enough experience. They have never been used “in production” until 2020.

I saved this post as a favorite and set up a reminder in 2 years and in 5 years about it. Hope there will be nothing to add, and we just got ourselves a mighty vaccines platform at zero long term consequences.

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