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Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by kergonath »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #96
nephy wrote: post #35

I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

A big point of the article seems to be that standard ventilation does not/did not adequately get rid of the nitrogen dioxide generated from a gas stove. Is your ventilation just really good, or is this not a concern for you?

Most people have no clue because you cannot see or smell it. So people tend to underestimate it. After all, they’ve been doing it for decades, so how bad could it really be? So, you’ll get feelings and intuition as replies if you ask this kind of question, not anything solid.

We are fucking terrible at risk analysis and management.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by swayvil »

rolobio wrote: post #90
swayvil wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they make them without glass tops?

I had my glass stove top shatter. Turns out that is the only thing they don’t warranty. I did not opt for the extended warranty on the next stove…

Also, apparently induction stoves require special cookware

So you just throw out all your pots?

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by nemo44x »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #111
nemo44x wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heating up water quickly is almost never a use case. It is not on the critical path for optimizations either. Unless you subsist on boiling noodles when you’re late for a meeting.

But the main function of any stove is to heat things up. Induction can simply do that faster. Boiling water is just an easy way to measure it

I guess you don’t cook? The main function of a stove is to work with your pans/etc to create the heat you desire. Different applications have different requirements. I may use a cast iron pan to store a lot of heat and release it over some time. I may have another where I want to change temperatures in the pan quickly, which is far more common for me.

For example I may use high heat to sear meat and then drop the heat to add butter and herbs and then use the pan drippings to make a sauce which requires intense heating to deglaze and flambé to enhance flavor and then reduce heat quickly to mount the sauce. Copper is the best material for this and it doesn’t work with induction. High quality steel just doesn’t perform.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

dangus wrote: post #19
bilsbie wrote: post #16

Let’s let adults be adults and buy whatever stove they want.

And what about their kids that didn’t choose to get asthma? And what about the adults who wouldn’t have chosen a gas stove if they had balanced and factual information rather than information tainted by corporate influence? https://youtu.be/gCMzjJjuxQI

Enforce building codes for adequate ventilation instead of banning the better stoves.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by magicalist »

nephy wrote: post #47
kccqzy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

As opposed to my electricity, which is mostly produced by a coal plant?

You say you're in South Carolina which is 30% coal generation, not "mostly", and which is set to plummet rapidly over the next few years as several of the increasingly uneconomical coal plants are shut down.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by zdragnar »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #66
dangus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about their kids that didn’t choose to get asthma? And what about the adults who wouldn’t have chosen a gas stove if they had balanced and factual information rather than information tainted by corporate influence? https://youtu.be/gCMzjJjuxQI

When my daughter was younger, I thought she might have respiratory issues from being born premature due to mild coughing fits almost her entire life. Tested for allergies and nothing came up. When she was 5, we moved to a new house. When I read the recent research, I realized that this coughing declined around when we moved. The difference? The old house had a microwave over the stove and vented inside. The new house…

You're also overlooking a ton of other things, hidden mold being a significant one.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by asystole »

melling wrote: post #108
asystole wrote: post #83

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How is your local electricity generated?

That’s what people say about EVs. The short answer is that it doesn’t matter. Switching out billions of stoves, cars … to electric counterparts is going to take a long time. The thousands of power plants are much easier to convert.

I didn't "say" anything, I asked a question. And it absolutely does matter, at least for the time being.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by fragmede »

swayvil wrote: post #132
rolobio wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had my glass stove top shatter. Turns out that is the only thing they don’t warranty. I did not opt for the extended warranty on the next stove…

Also, apparently induction stoves require special cookware So you just throw out all your pots?

While I can make no comment about your pots, cast iron, and many types of stainless steel are compatible, so any pots purchased recently should work. What I can say is it turns out all my pots worked and I didn't have to repurchase any when I got my induction stove. And it was worth it. Induction is better than gas!

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by lucidguppy »

asystole wrote: post #83
lucidguppy wrote: post #27

I switched to electric radiant. I miss being able to manipulate the pan yes. I like that it's more efficient. Gas kicked a LOT of heat into the kitchen. I like that it didn't scorch the side of the saucepans. Ultimately I switched to avoid burning fossil fuels. Every bit counts.

How is your local electricity generated?

Whale oil.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

fallingknife wrote: post #129
dangus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Induction ranges heat up water faster and use less energy than gas ranges: https://www.treehugger.com/which-more-energy-efficient-cooki... Since you mentioned that you have backup heating, I assume you don’t live in a very cold climate, in which case a heat pump for your backup heat and water heater is your most efficient lowest cost option, not a gas system. Part of your gas bill is just paying the gas company for a…

People pitching induction always mention that they boil water faster, and it's true. But in my experience with induction, which I admit is not a lot, it seems like that is the only thing it's better at.

Induction is really nice in terms of speed and responsiveness but it's harder to do the tiny adjustments that you can do with gas because the induction is digital rather than analog.
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