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Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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With any sufficiently large industry if that industry produces externalities powerful lobbies will emerge to make the harms as unclear and detached from the industry as possible.

We only see the failures of this activity. There are many more big lobby success stories, where the externalities a line of business produces are removed from public discourse. In some cases, veggie libel laws for one, the lobby is so successful that criticism is practically illegal.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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After trying induction for a couple of years, I now believe it's superior to gas.

I keep reading the same experience as you did but it's really difficult to imagine it being so without actually having access to an induction stove to try it out. What I care about most is the rapid adjustment from high heat to low heat and vice versa within seconds; this is really important for many Asian cuisines. What I care about next is the amount of heat output at its highest and lowest setting. Of course I can…

Asia is the largest market for induction cooktops, I wouldn't worry about its ability to cook Asian cuisines. They even make ones that are perfectly shaped for woks.

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

Do you also just dig a hole in your backyard and dump used oil there?

No, but my electric company buried tons of coal ash that leaked into the surrounding water table.

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You don’t care about the impact on your health or your children’s health? That seems short sighted to me.

A proper extractor fan mitigates the problem entirely. For a lot of cooking, gas is simply superior in almost every way to induction or electric. Induction has a few advantages in certain situations, but not many - gas is more flexible. Now there is something to be said about people using insufficient extraction or not maintaining their ventilation/extraction systems for sure, or grossly underspeccing them so that th…

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Are they cost effective? I suppose in the long term you save money by paying for electricity instead of gas, which could offset price differences. I strongly prefer gas stoves over conductive electric ranges, but haven’t tried an induction stove yet.

I'm definitely not an expert, but I would say nothing of note has changed with our utility bill since we replaced the gas cooktop with an induction cooktop. The marketing will tell you it's more efficient because all the energy goes into the cooking (heating the pot) instead of heating the room as with gas. But hey, that's marketing. One other concern was control: we did find out that the power levels on our model we…

It sure is marketing and... basic physics ?

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

As opposed to my electricity, which is mostly produced by a coal plant?

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Induction limits how I can cook compared to gas burners. There are fewer techniques and methods available and is unacceptable for how I like to cook. Induction is great for some people but for many people it comes up short. Cooking anything inside requires proper venting as cooking byproducts are harmful.

Cooking isn’t just about getting a pan hot quickly.

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

Induction ranges heat up water faster and use less energy than gas ranges: https://www.treehugger.com/which-more-energy-efficient-cooki... Since you mentioned that you have backup heating, I assume you don’t live in a very cold climate, in which case a heat pump for your backup heat and water heater is your most efficient lowest cost option, not a gas system. Part of your gas bill is just paying the gas company for a…

Do they make them without glass tops?
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