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Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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After trying induction for a couple of years, I now believe it's superior to gas.

Are they cost effective? I suppose in the long term you save money by paying for electricity instead of gas, which could offset price differences. I strongly prefer gas stoves over conductive electric ranges, but haven’t tried an induction stove yet.

Probably don't make that much of a difference. I know it does not in my country. If anything, at the same price of gas and electricity, gas is less efficient so induction should be cheaper. Imma say this again : Gas is not efficient.

And since it probably don't make much of a difference, if you have the financial room for it, maybe you can make the sensible choice for society ?

Less gas means less methane emissions from gas plumbing (4x times worse than CO2) and less dangerous accidents : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_explosion

Electricity means a single network and can be clean, gas can't. Gas stoves is the gateway drug to gas heating and the industry knows it which is why they spend so much lobbying for it even though it's a very small part of the gas they sell.

I still find it funny that there is such a fuss about when a mentally ill person finds a ideology to die for and blow themselves up for the cause when it's just as likely and deadly than gas accident but barely no one is able to remember last year street explosion because of gas. Both are fact of life and can be mitigated for but one is apparently very meaningful while the other... "oh well".

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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How many people can afford a proper extractor fan? I’ve literally never seen a rental with one.

Every rental I've had had one. That was eight units in total. We didn't get fancy rentals.

Are you sure it wasn’t a recirculating fan?

How new was this building?

Every rental I’ve lived in was built at least 50 years ago because I can’t afford a new luxury rental.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Resistive heating? Sure. Those things are nasty. But otherwise... nothing beats 7.2 kW of inductive energy transfer straight into the bottom of your pan.

Current place I rent has those awful resistive heating stovetop, previous place had induction. I miss gas - for some stuff I now have to either use a small camp stove type gas thing or a blowtorch, electric (resistive or induction) simply is no fucking good at all for some cooking tasks.

Resistive sucks, induction does not. If you have induction pans, they will heat up faster than any gas stove. Boil water in less than 2 minutes. No gas or resistance electric range can come close to the energy transfer.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After trying induction for a couple of years, I now believe it's superior to gas.

Are they cost effective? I suppose in the long term you save money by paying for electricity instead of gas, which could offset price differences. I strongly prefer gas stoves over conductive electric ranges, but haven’t tried an induction stove yet.

I'm definitely not an expert, but I would say nothing of note has changed with our utility bill since we replaced the gas cooktop with an induction cooktop. The marketing will tell you it's more efficient because all the energy goes into the cooking (heating the pot) instead of heating the room as with gas. But hey, that's marketing.

One other concern was control: we did find out that the power levels on our model were not linear. The first 5 were all low power for low power needs (eggs, sauces, etc) and then 6 through 9 were much larger increments for high power needs (e.g. frying).

Our experiment before committing was using a plug in cooktop. We got a good one, and even though it was "only" 1800W it made many meals. It's power settings were linear but offered us 0-100% in 1% increments (amazing control! Love that thing.)

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

Do you also just dig a hole in your backyard and dump used oil there?

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

Induction ranges heat up water faster and use less energy than gas ranges: https://www.treehugger.com/which-more-energy-efficient-cooki...

Since you mentioned that you have backup heating, I assume you don’t live in a very cold climate, in which case a heat pump for your backup heat and water heater is your most efficient lowest cost option, not a gas system.

Part of your gas bill is just paying the gas company for a line. Your bill would be around $10 even if you use 0 gas. So basically having two different bills costs you extra money already.

Then there’s the fact that you can get a solar system and generate your own electricity, which you can’t do with gas. Solar systems can have a payoff period in the 5-10 year range which is very reasonable. If you pair it with an electric car you’re almost never paying a utility or oil company for your fuel needs.

I’m not saying you should run out and retrofit your whole home because that would never pay itself off, but in your climate I would never touch gas in a new build.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.
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