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Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by nemo44x »

dangus wrote: post #39
nephy wrote: post #35

I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

Induction ranges heat up water faster and use less energy than gas ranges: https://www.treehugger.com/which-more-energy-efficient-cooki... Since you mentioned that you have backup heating, I assume you don’t live in a very cold climate, in which case a heat pump for your backup heat and water heater is your most efficient lowest cost option, not a gas system. Part of your gas bill is just paying the gas company for a…

Heating up water quickly is almost never a use case. It is not on the critical path for optimizations either. Unless you subsist on boiling noodles when you’re late for a meeting.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by ahoka »

reactordev wrote: post #34
fullspectrumdev wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current place I rent has those awful resistive heating stovetop, previous place had induction. I miss gas - for some stuff I now have to either use a small camp stove type gas thing or a blowtorch, electric (resistive or induction) simply is no fucking good at all for some cooking tasks.

Resistive sucks, induction does not. If you have induction pans, they will heat up faster than any gas stove. Boil water in less than 2 minutes. No gas or resistance electric range can come close to the energy transfer.

Yeah, boiling water on gas is so damn slow.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by wenebego »

nephy wrote: post #47
kccqzy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

As opposed to my electricity, which is mostly produced by a coal plant?

The carbon tax should fund renewable energy sources.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by 39 »

nephy wrote: post #47
kccqzy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

As opposed to my electricity, which is mostly produced by a coal plant?

And then there’s the energy wasted in transmission.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by vasco »

CaptWillard wrote: post #48
kccqzy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

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Do you really believe it's more likely that gas companies are paying people to say they want a gas stove on HN than someone genuinely believing it? I've met some many normal people in real life that say the same thing about gas stoves, including family members that have nothing to do with any Big Gas plots.

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Post by bdw5204 »

kccqzy wrote: post #40
nephy wrote: post #35

I have a gas range, gas water heater, gas logs, and gas backup heat. My gas bill is around $15 a month. My home has proper ventilation to the outside and I have no intention of converting a cheap gas bill into a high electric bill.

This is why we need a carbon tax. Your gas bill needs to be much higher.

The idea that energy bills need to be higher is sure to be a political winner. I encourage any politician who believes in that idea to openly run for office on it rather than trying to hide it and do it once they're already in office.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by ahoka »

nemo44x wrote: post #17
Jailbird wrote: post #5

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After trying induction for a couple of years, I now believe it's superior to gas.

Induction is better than electric but it isn’t as good as gas in my opinion. You can’t use copper cookware, you are very limited on how you apply heat, you can’t use techniques like flambé, you can’t hold food directly over a flame to singe like you can with gas, etc. Induction is fine for some people but not for everyone. Not to mention in many places they are more expensive to buy and operate. Besides, venting your…

Just use a portable stove for those rare occasions you need one for a specific technique. Why breath in those nasty gases when making something simple for dinner?

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

cassepipe wrote: post #46
Jailbird wrote: post #36

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I'm definitely not an expert, but I would say nothing of note has changed with our utility bill since we replaced the gas cooktop with an induction cooktop. The marketing will tell you it's more efficient because all the energy goes into the cooking (heating the pot) instead of heating the room as with gas. But hey, that's marketing. One other concern was control: we did find out that the power levels on our model we…

It sure is marketing and... basic physics ?

To be fair, there are losses with induction charging, and I imagine there are similar effects here. But it makes sense that induction cooktops would generate less waste heat than a gas range.
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