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"King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

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Asking because I have no idea - What companies were the big wins from Sam's YC time?

Flexport, Brex, Ginkgo, Rappi, Deel, Scale.ai, Rippling, Faire, OpenSea, Razorpay Checkr, Gitlab, Meesho, Monzo, Flock, Retool, IronClad, FlutterWave, Xendit Groww, Jeeves, Solugen, ShipBob, Front, Mux, TruePill, Jasper.ai ... https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?batch=S19&batch=W19&ba...

Of those, literally the only one I’ve heard of is GitLab. Hard to imagine “ShipBob” is a “big win” for YC.

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Wow you really have no way of knowing if it's true at all yet you've got this giant framework that lets you assume she's fabricating it. Yikes.

Recovered memories are not a valid source of evidence. We should always presume the accused is innocent, that's the basis of any reliable justice system. Especially when no evidence is presented beyond extremely dubious self report.

Um no we should not presume the accused is innocent; we're not a justice system at all, we're a commentariat. Nor should we presume the accused is guilty; the information we have is precisely what we know, which leaves the question open, and it would be wrong to presume an answer either way. We should assume the accuser has a probability of being correct and not invalidate their claims based on some spurious framework designed to justify doubting them.

Especially not when there's a HUGE and incredibly well-documented pattern of "ignoring accusations of abuse against powerful people" which our society is, like, right in the middle of trying to get better about (while for some reason you are advocating for undoing all that progress?).

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Altman's sister's 'memories' of abuse were developed in adulthood [1]. Recovered memories are deeply suspect, and a number of serious miscarriages of justice have happened because of them. Most infamously the 'satanic panic' trials of the eighties and early nineties. Elizabeth Loftus has done lots of good work on the dubious nature of eyewitness testimony, and recovered memories in particular [3]. Essentially, they'r…

Things are far less clear cut than you make them out. Yes, there is good science that shows that eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. There is also some okay science that shows that people can be prompted to create false memories. However, there is no good science that shows people can be prompted to create false memories of deeply traumatic or personal events such as you are saying. There is definitely no good sc…

> there is no good science that shows people can be prompted to create false memories of deeply traumatic or personal events such as you are saying. There is definitely no good science showing that recovered memories are more likely to be false than true.

You're absolutely correct that theres a poverty of experimental research in implanting / recovering memories of sexual abuse. It's difficult to devise experiments with any ecological validity in this area, for obvious reasons. However we have the existence proof of thousands of such allegations proven to be false [1]. For obvious reasons, experimental studies on implanted memories of sexual abuse would be unethical, but less than half of US clinical psychologists believe repressed memories can be recovered accurately, and 95% agree that recovered memories can sometimes be false [2].

While child sexual abuse is horrifically common. Given the age of the victim during the alleged offence, and the delay in recovery, this particular case seems extremely unlikely to be true - in the absence of any collaborating evidence.

> Much of the rhetoric around the potential for falsely recovered memories comes from a foundation that was founded by an alleged abuser and has a loose relationship with scientific truth and a fairly sketchy history of protecting child abusers

I'm much more familiar with the work of Elizabeth Loftus on the construction of memory than I am with any media facing foundation. Her lab research shows it's trivially easy to create memories of early childhood experience - although again, she never researched implanting memories of abuse. She also did some great work on demand characteristics in psychotherapy - i.e.: unconsciously producing behaviour performatively for a therapist, such as symptoms or false memories.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2023/04/18/1170710006/texas-continues-to...

[2] https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/false-memories-childhood...

[3] https://webfiles.uci.edu/eloftus/KanterKohlenbergLoftusCogTh...

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Just to be clear. I'm not a psychologist or psychoanalyst. I trained as a psychoanalyst (and not in the US) but don't practice. Also to note - the APA don't represent psychologists or psychoanalysts, but rather psychiatrists. Anyone discussing the motivations of any public figure is engaging in armchair psychoanalysis, and although I agree with the premise behind prohibiting professionals from doing so, psychiatrists…

> In any case, I don't think anyone is qualified to credit or discredit a claim in a medical or psychologically diagnostic sense without a clinical interview (something that few psychiatrists are qualified to perform by the way). That's not what I'm doing here. What I'm pointing out is the unreliability of recovered memory. Uh huh... and in another comment in this discussion you've gone on to speculate that she has B…

It would be consistent with motivating the confused cognition (e.g.: her rambling and contradictory statements in the article linked by OP), and producing false or disingenuous allegations. However so could lots of other things. My point wasn't to diagnose this person, but to make clear "it seems pretty clear something terrible happened to her and was invalidated" is a dubious rationale for believing any kind of allegation.

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Sam Altman controls billions of dollars in assets, and attends Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove events. He's sort of the walking definition of social and economic power.

And yet, he nearly lost his job. None of us are perfect, nor are any of us better than any other. Let's cut the idolizing.

Not many from us can go from "nearly losing the job" to "getting 95% of the employees to demand your return, firing the board that tried to oust him, and then returning with absolute power".

There's something to be said about that, lol. Probably not even Musk has that kind of power.

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Things are far less clear cut than you make them out. Yes, there is good science that shows that eyewitness testimony can be unreliable. There is also some okay science that shows that people can be prompted to create false memories. However, there is no good science that shows people can be prompted to create false memories of deeply traumatic or personal events such as you are saying. There is definitely no good sc…

> there is no good science that shows people can be prompted to create false memories of deeply traumatic or personal events such as you are saying. There is definitely no good science showing that recovered memories are more likely to be false than true. You're absolutely correct that theres a poverty of experimental research in implanting / recovering memories of sexual abuse. It's difficult to devise experiments w…

> However we have the existence proof of thousands of such allegations proven to be false [1]

That's nothing like what is alleged here. A mentally ill mother pressuring a son into giving false testimony is very different from an adult "recovering" a memory.

> Given the age of the victim during the alleged offence, and the delay in recovery, this particular case seems extremely unlikely to be true

Based on what?

> I'm much more familiar with the work of Elizabeth Loftus on the construction of memory than I am with any media facing foundation.

She was recruited as a founding board member of that foundation and makes a lot of money off of the idea of implanting false memories as a expert witness.

> Her lab research shows it's trivially easy to create memories of early childhood experience - although again, she never researched implanting memories of abuse.

Yet she gives expert testimony saying that it is common.

Replication of her work has shown that while yes, some people can have relatively minor memories implanted, like getting lost at a mall, it is much harder or impossible to implant a less plausible memory, such as getting an enema.

If you want to learn more about all this from a different perspective than the one you have now, I recommend this article: https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controv...

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This would have been good advice a decade ago, but with how good deepfakes are now, I would argue that any audio/video evidence recorded and submitted by either party should be considered as part of their testimony rather than valid evidence, unless its provenance can be cryptographically confirmed.

> unless its provenance can be cryptographically confirmed How do you envision that working? All I can think of that could in theory be possible would be using crypto to prove a video existed at a particular point in time. But that's not that valuable in terms of proof. Plus you can get the same effect by just handing a copy to someone like a lawyer who has a reputation for honesty and has a lot to lose if they're fo…

That's pretty much what I'm thinking too. And you don't even need to submit a copy, but rather just a cryptographic hash of your file.

But there's still the issue of proving that you haven't manipulated it before handing it in, and here I can't seem to think of anything better than the recording and hash submission being done by a DRM'd tool out of the individual's full control.

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Flexport, Brex, Ginkgo, Rappi, Deel, Scale.ai, Rippling, Faire, OpenSea, Razorpay Checkr, Gitlab, Meesho, Monzo, Flock, Retool, IronClad, FlutterWave, Xendit Groww, Jeeves, Solugen, ShipBob, Front, Mux, TruePill, Jasper.ai ... https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?batch=S19&batch=W19&ba...

I'm surprised I don't recognize a single one of these companies. Isn't YC most famous for companies like AirBNB, Reddit, Twitch, Instacart, Dropbox, Doordash, etc. all things I use and that broke into pop culture? Or is that entirely from pre-Altman era and now it's just all tools for developers?

If you don't recognize any companies from that list (a number of which are very successful), then that's likely because you only learn about companies once they hit a truly massive scale, which takes time (and explains why the ones you know are older).

And there's also B2B vs B2C.

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Flexport, Brex, Ginkgo, Rappi, Deel, Scale.ai, Rippling, Faire, OpenSea, Razorpay Checkr, Gitlab, Meesho, Monzo, Flock, Retool, IronClad, FlutterWave, Xendit Groww, Jeeves, Solugen, ShipBob, Front, Mux, TruePill, Jasper.ai ... https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?batch=S19&batch=W19&ba...

Of those, literally the only one I’ve heard of is GitLab. Hard to imagine “ShipBob” is a “big win” for YC.

It's a very big win, but it's B2B logistics, so if you don't deal in adjacent industries you're unlikely to have heard of it.

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Altman's sister's 'memories' of abuse were developed in adulthood [1]. Recovered memories are deeply suspect, and a number of serious miscarriages of justice have happened because of them. Most infamously the 'satanic panic' trials of the eighties and early nineties. Elizabeth Loftus has done lots of good work on the dubious nature of eyewitness testimony, and recovered memories in particular [3]. Essentially, they'r…

Wow you really have no way of knowing if it's true at all yet you've got this giant framework that lets you assume she's fabricating it. Yikes.

Family matters can be messy. I have a family member with an alternate reality where our parents never supported her, she had to overcome bad parents. Its a lie. I was there. She just didn’t like them asking her to be responsible. However, I totally could see everyone in her life thinking she came from such an abusive family. Im one of like 4 people on earth that know the truth.

The point is, families can be messy, especially with money involved, so we shouldn’t even try to insert ourselves.

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