Live data from Hacker News

"King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

washingtonpost.com

51–60 of 188 posts

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#51
Wow, what a lovely puff piece. Known as a 'rehabilitator' in PR circles. The conversation:

Sama: "I'm getting a bit of knock-back over my management style from various sources."

PR Co: "No worries, we'll run a Premium PR package to restore your reputation. A couple of nice pieces in the WashPo and other places and you're good to go."

Sama: "Great. Invoice me."

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#52
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, but family drama feels a bit... weird to use for character assessment. Especially when a ton of money is involved. There are a lot of inter-family dynamics and motivations that cause people to do things. Not saying she's right. Not saying he's right. Just saying that whole situation is probably too close to home (literally) to opine globally outside it.

I am conflicted about that. When money is involved I think it amplifies character even more. Not everyone with a ton of money has these kinds of allegations.

It's also a bit worse than the usual family drama.

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#53
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some CEOs would get fired for moonlighting. Others (Elon Musk, etc) build massive companies and make their existing companies more resilient and lasting. I don't get why more CEO/founders don't found second and third companies. You build a great leadership team, then explore adjacent spaces that can reinforce your vision of the future. In a way, it can clear the space of potential competitors. Or build potential cu…

I actually agree. While I more or less detest Musk and Dorsey, I do also appreciate as you put it, that they were able to build a leadership teams that can run the business while they go and about acting as the face of the business. Unfortunately I don't think they have succeeded fully at this, because to me their public image has now started to hurt their businesses...

IDK supposedly executives are paid to be on top of things, be responsible if they go south (but boards and golden parachutes protect them), and work however many hours it takes to make the important decisions.

So if their time is divided then my guess is they won't be doing it very well. If they are all face and PR then perhaps AI will replace them.

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#54
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some CEOs would get fired for moonlighting. Others (Elon Musk, etc) build massive companies and make their existing companies more resilient and lasting. I don't get why more CEO/founders don't found second and third companies. You build a great leadership team, then explore adjacent spaces that can reinforce your vision of the future. In a way, it can clear the space of potential competitors. Or build potential cu…

I actually agree. While I more or less detest Musk and Dorsey, I do also appreciate as you put it, that they were able to build a leadership teams that can run the business while they go and about acting as the face of the business. Unfortunately I don't think they have succeeded fully at this, because to me their public image has now started to hurt their businesses...

Do you know them personally?

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#55
post #45
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some CEOs would get fired for moonlighting. Others (Elon Musk, etc) build massive companies and make their existing companies more resilient and lasting. I don't get why more CEO/founders don't found second and third companies. You build a great leadership team, then explore adjacent spaces that can reinforce your vision of the future. In a way, it can clear the space of potential competitors. Or build potential cu…

Why just CEOs? Should I, as an individual contributor, be encouraged to hold down several jobs so that I can split my time and attention between them?

Thanks to covid and the remote work revolution, this has actually become a very real scenario for many people working in tech. Of course this also further exposes Altman's hypocrisy, as he is one of the stronger proponents of the "return to office" movement. So he obviously doesn't want his employees doing the exact same thing he does himself.

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#56
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Altman's sister's 'memories' of abuse were developed in adulthood [1]. Recovered memories are deeply suspect, and a number of serious miscarriages of justice have happened because of them. Most infamously the 'satanic panic' trials of the eighties and early nineties. Elizabeth Loftus has done lots of good work on the dubious nature of eyewitness testimony, and recovered memories in particular [3]. Essentially, they'r…

> developed in adulthood Where does it say that in the article you posted?

Section 9.1. "At this point in time [her Dec 2018 podcast with Sam], Annie still has not yet remembered / processed what Sam did to her at age 4."

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#57
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so important in these situations to gather as much hard evidence as possible (audio/video recordings), from the start. Voice recorders and storage are very cheap nowadays, keep them on you, running at all times if you ever find yourself in any similar circumstances. That way, it's no longer of "he said, she said", and it's clear who the problem is. Of course assuming this is legal to do so where you live.

This would have been good advice a decade ago, but with how good deepfakes are now, I would argue that any audio/video evidence recorded and submitted by either party should be considered as part of their testimony rather than valid evidence, unless its provenance can be cryptographically confirmed.

> unless its provenance can be cryptographically confirmed

How do you envision that working? All I can think of that could in theory be possible would be using crypto to prove a video existed at a particular point in time. But that's not that valuable in terms of proof. Plus you can get the same effect by just handing a copy to someone like a lawyer who has a reputation for honesty and has a lot to lose if they're found to be dishonest.

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#58
post #45
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some CEOs would get fired for moonlighting. Others (Elon Musk, etc) build massive companies and make their existing companies more resilient and lasting. I don't get why more CEO/founders don't found second and third companies. You build a great leadership team, then explore adjacent spaces that can reinforce your vision of the future. In a way, it can clear the space of potential competitors. Or build potential cu…

Why just CEOs? Should I, as an individual contributor, be encouraged to hold down several jobs so that I can split my time and attention between them?

You should. Be in demand enough and you can dictate your terms.

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#59
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Altman's sister's 'memories' of abuse were developed in adulthood [1]. Recovered memories are deeply suspect, and a number of serious miscarriages of justice have happened because of them. Most infamously the 'satanic panic' trials of the eighties and early nineties. Elizabeth Loftus has done lots of good work on the dubious nature of eyewitness testimony, and recovered memories in particular [3]. Essentially, they'r…

> developed in adulthood Where does it say that in the article you posted?

Probably this, where she is discussing her first memories on a podcast:

> Annie then basically proceeds to mention that “panic attack” doesn’t quite feel like her first memory, but doesn’t decisively settle on a “first memory.” She concludes the article: “TBD on the first memory of that history. Here’s to exploring.”

> This becomes relevant later on, as Annie ends up remembering an earlier memory than her panic attacks—Sam sexually assaulting her.

Her presentation is poor, but it seems pretty clear something terrible happened to her and was invalidated. Her pattern of behavior is consistent with others with major childhood traumas. Most people are not having panic attacks and thinking of killing themselves before elementary school.

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

#60
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate that everyone else was so comically bad at literally any kind of communication. I'm starting to feel like the general advice lawyers give of say nothing is a terrible advice, when you have such a public facing company. It's like what you need in that situation is a communication coach first and a lawyer second. But as an engineer that also never learned this kind of narrative control, I too am strugg…

This sounds like snark but it’s not intended to be: do you really need sources to learn narrative control? Perceiving how narratives work seems to be a skill that almost all humans are very good at naturally. I acknowledge that shaping narratives is a different skill set (especially the parts that require putting yourself in a position to shape narratives effectively), but in my opinion if you’re already asking the q…

I get the point, but the reality is that this goes way beyond business communication. And yes, given enough time almost anyone can learn almost anything, but we're also human with limited time and it simply makes no sense trying to learn everything from scratch. You gotta know when to ask people that are experts in their respective fields.
Post reply on HN