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"King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

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> It feels like people are a bit obsessive about this guy. AI is about to take over the world (for better or worse), and this is the guy in charge of building it.

OpenAI is only one of many companies building AI. While ChatGPT and DALL-E are impressive, there are domains where those models are pretty much useless and other AI solutions are needed.

For hosted models I’ve noticed that Bard has been quietly improving. Was awful at first but now seems to be closing in.

Actually-open AI with open weights and open source is innovating rapidly too, especially when it comes to making models more efficient on smaller hardware. We have fast local mixtures of experts now. Rumor is that Llama3 is training as well, and that it may be some kind of MoE.

I feel like focusing on efficiency first for local models rather than shooting to beat GPT-4 is the right approach, because without major efficiency improvements a shot for simple dominance will just yield a model only wealthier people can afford the hardware to run.

OpenAI still seems in the lead but it’s shrinking.

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> It feels like people are a bit obsessive about this guy. AI is about to take over the world (for better or worse), and this is the guy in charge of building it.

>AI is about to take over the world Define "take over the world" Pushed to everything even if it doesnt make sense? Or will actually significantly affect everyone's life?

No, literally seize the means of production and kill all humans, of course!

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Asking because I have no idea - What companies were the big wins from Sam's YC time?

You’d need to consider baseline (wins/fails ratio) adjusted for macro conditions. And then look only at the subset of companies where Sam had impact.

A better way of looking at it would be to try analyzing the performance of Sam’s personal investments. And comparing it against a baseline (e.g. Sequoia or YC).

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Flexport, Brex, Ginkgo, Rappi, Deel, Scale.ai, Rippling, Faire, OpenSea, Razorpay Checkr, Gitlab, Meesho, Monzo, Flock, Retool, IronClad, FlutterWave, Xendit Groww, Jeeves, Solugen, ShipBob, Front, Mux, TruePill, Jasper.ai ... https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?batch=S19&batch=W19&ba...

I'm surprised I don't recognize a single one of these companies. Isn't YC most famous for companies like AirBNB, Reddit, Twitch, Instacart, Dropbox, Doordash, etc. all things I use and that broke into pop culture? Or is that entirely from pre-Altman era and now it's just all tools for developers?

YC has been doing a lot more B2B for the last decade or so than in its early days. Many of the early unicorns (including all of those you listed) were B2C companies, so they're more well-known.

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I care in that we are at one of the historic inflection points in tech history - so I waant a very salient truth as to what decisions (and by whom) are steering what is going to be the next era in the information age. I love it. So, what I care about is a true lens into how we will be getting to the next step in the path. Thats all I care about... And obviously SA is a master at ensuring the engineers in his harem ar…

> I hope that all the youngin's in tech (like the actual teenagers, like my children) are really paying attention to where we are in tech history with AI in general - and with OpenAI in particular - as SA can attempt to look like a Carnegie but actually be a Rockefeller. You should hope that they go back to school and study history. All of this has happened before, many times over.

>All of this has happened before, many times over.

Sounds good on paper, but the nature of modern day life is far different than it was when other revolutions occurred.

Yes, revolutions in tech are just that - they up-end the old way of life, the dust settles and a new way of living emerges.

This is so basically obvious that its not worth mentioning.

What is worth more than mentioning, but truly paying attention to, aside from Thomas' analogy to a neighboring mcdonalds, which is an actually insanely lazy look at this matter - especially coming from one who is a security expert, is that the level of "entanglement" into our daily life with massive core-AI systems, such as the capabilities of GPT-'N' has, cannot be understated.

When cars overtook horses, we could weaponize cars by putting guns on them and calling them tanks. But once you put a gun on a car and call it a tank, it can only shoot at one target at a time.

With AI, when it provides the substrate upon which you will interface with the information relationship you have the rest of global reality, can be easily weaponized, not just against you, but anyone and anything interfacing with it, its important to know who, or at least what incentives, truly owns, or at least is the lens through which one interfaces with whatever information that system provides.

SO, aside from 'doom-and-gloom' -- its really important to really understand as much as possible, and rather than Thomas' just throwing up his hands (which again is bizarre from a security guy just saying he doesnt care who runs the black box, is weird) - I want to know how whatever that system is (openAI/whatever dominant AI) and who made it such and what agency I still retain in my digital life.

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@Unity:

Entanglement of big business and government in our lives was and will always be - what big-core-AI provides both business and governments (which now there is vanishingly thin membranes between the two these days) complete solvent for any friction for said entanglement.

AI's capabilities for extracting indivulaized-insights-AT-SCALE is what AI provides to both, with zero recourse from the individuals. That is the "alignment" problem that Aza and Tristan are pushing back against.

Also- I do not "worship" or "idolize" SA, and especially Thiel - I am terrified of them. That's why I said that they may attempt to appear as a Carnegie, but are actually a Rockefeller (Carnegie attempted to wash his reputation with endowments - Rockefeller was just an evil oil-carpet-bagging C*Sucker and an evil person (he is the reason we have "fossil fuels" as manufactured scarcity for profit)

I have no idea why you think I idolize any of this - I am fully, and even further, into the Raskin-Harris camp... alignment regulation is going to get trampled - and to be honest, I have serious questions about SAs motives...

I'd bet he's already got a team working on the plans for his bunker/lair, and taking notes from the Zucks and Thiels on best design resources.

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This sounds like snark but it’s not intended to be: do you really need sources to learn narrative control? Perceiving how narratives work seems to be a skill that almost all humans are very good at naturally. I acknowledge that shaping narratives is a different skill set (especially the parts that require putting yourself in a position to shape narratives effectively), but in my opinion if you’re already asking the q…

I get the point, but the reality is that this goes way beyond business communication. And yes, given enough time almost anyone can learn almost anything, but we're also human with limited time and it simply makes no sense trying to learn everything from scratch. You gotta know when to ask people that are experts in their respective fields.

When did I say it didn’t go way beyond business communication? That’s largely my point: this is a basic human skill in the modern world that I would think existing for 20-30 years would give you plenty of experience in navigating stories told by others as well as using your own narratives to steer outcomes.

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Flexport, Brex, Ginkgo, Rappi, Deel, Scale.ai, Rippling, Faire, OpenSea, Razorpay Checkr, Gitlab, Meesho, Monzo, Flock, Retool, IronClad, FlutterWave, Xendit Groww, Jeeves, Solugen, ShipBob, Front, Mux, TruePill, Jasper.ai ... https://www.ycombinator.com/companies?batch=S19&batch=W19&ba...

I'm surprised I don't recognize a single one of these companies. Isn't YC most famous for companies like AirBNB, Reddit, Twitch, Instacart, Dropbox, Doordash, etc. all things I use and that broke into pop culture? Or is that entirely from pre-Altman era and now it's just all tools for developers?

You've never heard of GitLab? I also listen to a lot of podcasts and Retool/ShipBob ads are probably 2% of my total lifetime listening time

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> It feels like people are a bit obsessive about this guy. AI is about to take over the world (for better or worse), and this is the guy in charge of building it.

>AI is about to take over the world Define "take over the world" Pushed to everything even if it doesnt make sense? Or will actually significantly affect everyone's life?

https://i.imgur.com/lPKGlqC.png <-- SA v.1.0

Re: "King of the Cannibals": How Sam Altman Took over Silicon Valley

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I'm surprised I don't recognize a single one of these companies. Isn't YC most famous for companies like AirBNB, Reddit, Twitch, Instacart, Dropbox, Doordash, etc. all things I use and that broke into pop culture? Or is that entirely from pre-Altman era and now it's just all tools for developers?

You've never heard of GitLab? I also listen to a lot of podcasts and Retool/ShipBob ads are probably 2% of my total lifetime listening time

I have heard of that one, and I guess to be fair looking at the list again I've heard of OpenSea a few times too as an NFT marketplace. Just not the target customer I guess, I am not a developer (or into NFTs).

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Altman's sister's 'memories' of abuse were developed in adulthood [1]. Recovered memories are deeply suspect, and a number of serious miscarriages of justice have happened because of them. Most infamously the 'satanic panic' trials of the eighties and early nineties. Elizabeth Loftus has done lots of good work on the dubious nature of eyewitness testimony, and recovered memories in particular [3]. Essentially, they'r…

> Recovered memories are deeply suspect, [...] especially when 'recovered' decades later during psychotherapy. > This goes back to Freud's original sin - not believing the direct accounts of family sexual abuse from his female patients, and instead perceiving them as fantasies. I can't understand how these two statements are not contradictory, could you elaborate?

I think they are saying that belief in repressed memories, to the current extent, are a result of the pendulum swinging too far in the opposite direction of Freuds skepticism and denial.
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