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Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by oarsinsync »

KMnO4 wrote: post #60
karmakaze wrote: post #5

I hope it doesn't engage at night, as we don't have turquoise LEDs so the blue ones will ruin night vision.

The idea of preserving night vision is based on rod cells being insensitive to light with a wavelength >640nm (ie red). Halogen bulbs found in headlights produce a lot of light under that wavelength, and are going to be at a much higher intensity than turquoise indicator lights.

> Halogen bulbs found in headlights produce a lot of light under that wavelength, and are going to be at a much higher intensity than turquoise indicator lights.

Tangential, but holy shit, this is great to know, and explains why I generally feel blinded every time someone with those horrible headlights drives by.

I wonder if there’s anything that can be done (to my windshield? to some glasses?) that can reduce the impact of this at night?

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by nixgeek »

gruez wrote: post #58
nixgeek wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably 99% of accidents between two parties where insurance has to decide who’s at fault (and therefore who pays) don’t go to court so “show up in discovery” probably doesn’t apply? Insurance companies typically view litigation as additional cost over and above paying out the policy coverage, and to be avoided whenever possible.

And is the drivers' insurance company just going to accept a "just trust us bro" from Mercedes? Even absent litigation I'd expect voluntary disclosure, otherwise the drivers' insurance companies are going to be on the hook for much more of the payout.

That’s fair and yes I’d expect in the event of a claim, short of litigation, you’re going to see telemetry data shared to support determining who’s at fault. It would be interesting to see how that’s handled in the agreements you have to enter into to activate this system in these vehicles…

But back to the original comment - this won’t be a lottery ticket for anyone because the Mercedes probably has millimeter-accuracy data on proximity of it to other vehicles from LiDAR, its movement, their movement, so outside of ADAS failure (which you’d expect to be rare in these conditions - known highways and under 40mph; why else would Mercedes take on liability?) it really will mostly be “the other party was at fault and must pay”, and repairs on 2024+ Mercedes with all this technology won’t be cheap either.

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Post by School-Cotton »

idopmstuff wrote: post #62
nixass wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surprised to learn it's not tesla Actually anyone even slightly interested in automotive industry isn't surprised by this. Tesla's tech is all smoke and mirrors for years now

I find this to be such a weird take - I just drove from San Diego -> LA with my Tesla doing 90+% of the freeway driving (I only have the free autosteer, so I have to handle exits, etc.). I have been in multiple rides through SF in friends' Teslas where they did not have to intervene at any point. Is Tesla FSD ready to replace human drivers? It is not. Is it smoke and mirrors? No - there is a mountain of evidence that…

If you still have to keep your hands on the wheel, can’t watch movies or read books, etc., what is even the point?

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Post by 1123581321 »

bombcar wrote: post #64
idopmstuff wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this to be such a weird take - I just drove from San Diego -> LA with my Tesla doing 90+% of the freeway driving (I only have the free autosteer, so I have to handle exits, etc.). I have been in multiple rides through SF in friends' Teslas where they did not have to intervene at any point. Is Tesla FSD ready to replace human drivers? It is not. Is it smoke and mirrors? No - there is a mountain of evidence that…

Many cars have autosteer at that level, once my silly minivan is on the freeway it can lane follow and adaptive cruise can go down to zero if necessary, and knows the speed limit and adjusts as necessary.

You have an Odyssey (the best minivan), I take it? I think that's the only one that can properly lane center. Other vans just have lane exit prevention. There are some differences between Honda's and Tesla's implementations that Tesla owners appreciate.

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Post by decafninja »

L-four wrote: post #41
internet101010 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Semi-related but how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars that have lidar jammers installed?

Semi-related how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars with RPG launchers installed?

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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by kube-system »

nixass wrote: post #24
nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

> Surprised to learn it's not tesla Actually anyone even slightly interested in automotive industry isn't surprised by this. Tesla's tech is all smoke and mirrors for years now

Tesla has probably the best level 2 system on the market. It’s just that it’s only level 2.

Which has pros and cons. Because these systems have a wider margin of error, they can operate in more situations. The con is that they make more mistakes so a driver must babysit them.

The problem is they take “fake it till you make it” too far in their marketing, by implying it is more than level 2.

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Post by edgyquant »

treypitt wrote: post #34
nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

It's tough when you dogmatically refuse to use lidar! For Elmo, since the human eye doesn't have lidar, camera arrays are sufficient to achieve L3

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Post by sologoub »

nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

Mercedes has a long history of innovation in driver assistance tech. For example: “ 1999: Mercedes introduced "Distronic", the first radar-assisted ACC,[8] on the Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W220)[9][10] and the CL-Class.[11]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_cruise_control#:~:t....

It was not as well marketed/hyped has the Tesla of today, but you could buy an S-class that would do much of the work for you in traffic well before you could buy a model S.

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Post by moogly »

nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

Mercedes have always been at the forefront of car tech (except EVs), they're just very low key about it.
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