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Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by gcr »

gruez wrote: post #53
nixgeek wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mercedes will cover accidents where DrivePilot is at fault; your insurance will cover your faults. Would expect DrivePilot equipped vehicles to store insane amounts of telemetry from all their sensors, which will make it far easier for Mercedes to prove that you’re at fault than you to do the opposite.

Why? All the recorded telemetry is going to show up in discovery anyways

What do you mean “why”? Storing additional telemetry helps Mercedes to show whether Drive Pilot or the opposing driver is at fault for accidents

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by idopmstuff »

nixass wrote: post #24
nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

> Surprised to learn it's not tesla Actually anyone even slightly interested in automotive industry isn't surprised by this. Tesla's tech is all smoke and mirrors for years now

I find this to be such a weird take - I just drove from San Diego -> LA with my Tesla doing 90+% of the freeway driving (I only have the free autosteer, so I have to handle exits, etc.). I have been in multiple rides through SF in friends' Teslas where they did not have to intervene at any point.

Is Tesla FSD ready to replace human drivers? It is not. Is it smoke and mirrors? No - there is a mountain of evidence that it is a very capable product in many situations.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by hasmolo »

simondotau wrote: post #16

An autonomous driving system is either good enough to drive on our roads without supervision — or it's not. If it is good enough, it shouldn't matter whether others know if the driver isn't human. Any unsupervised driving system is likely to be around two orders of magnitude safer than a human driver.[0] So effectively they're special lights to tell others that a car is extremely safe. This will backfire horribly. Wh…

what does this fear come from? the logic doesn’t hold up with any automated mass transit i’ve seen. why aren’t people standing on the train lines at airports? why aren’t people trying to hit the distribution robots in Japans airports?

do you really think there’s a future where people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) where they are jumping out in front of cars? there’s very little evidence that people in a mentally sane state, read not incapacitated, will self harm to spite technology.

i know living in the bay i’d mess with the self driving cars, but never by getting in the right of way and risking my damn life, only by signaling a left and forcing them to slow down behind me. i never once tried to get infront of the car at the last moment to see if i could be menaingfully maimed. i strongly suspect the desire to not be hurt will trump your concept of how ‘poors’ live

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by bombcar »

idopmstuff wrote: post #62
nixass wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surprised to learn it's not tesla Actually anyone even slightly interested in automotive industry isn't surprised by this. Tesla's tech is all smoke and mirrors for years now

I find this to be such a weird take - I just drove from San Diego -> LA with my Tesla doing 90+% of the freeway driving (I only have the free autosteer, so I have to handle exits, etc.). I have been in multiple rides through SF in friends' Teslas where they did not have to intervene at any point. Is Tesla FSD ready to replace human drivers? It is not. Is it smoke and mirrors? No - there is a mountain of evidence that…

Many cars have autosteer at that level, once my silly minivan is on the freeway it can lane follow and adaptive cruise can go down to zero if necessary, and knows the speed limit and adjusts as necessary.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by hasmolo »

nerdponx wrote: post #48
aaomidi wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s literally there so cops etc don’t pull you over for watching a movie while driving.

They should still pull you over for that. Pilot's don't get to watch an in-flight movie just because autopilot is on.

autopilot is a level 2 system technically, so you are right, they don’t use a system incorrectly

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by lynndotpy »

nixass wrote: post #24
nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

> Surprised to learn it's not tesla Actually anyone even slightly interested in automotive industry isn't surprised by this. Tesla's tech is all smoke and mirrors for years now

This is common knowledge among AV researchers too (who generally wouldn't be considered part of the automotive industry).

Tesla's self driving was always neat, but it made a joke of itself by announcing "fully self driving" capabilities when it was clear nobody had the tech there. (Even when generously assuming their camera-only sensor kit could be sufficient. It would be counterintuitive but not unthinkable.)

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by lynndotpy »

internet101010 wrote: post #37
treypitt wrote: post #34

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It's tough when you dogmatically refuse to use lidar! For Elmo, since the human eye doesn't have lidar, camera arrays are sufficient to achieve L3

Semi-related but how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars that have lidar jammers installed?

I can't speak to any production systems, but the ideal is to use a "sensor fusion" approach which can safely degrade or alert the driver when a sensor is lost.

Lidar, cameras, wireless communication with other vehicles and infrastructure, and with the internal sensors in the car.

More concerning would be adversarially-crafted signals. (Think a Wil-E-Coyote style fake-tunnel, but for lidar and and whatnot too.)

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by asylteltine »

nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

I’m not surprised in the least. Mercedes is a company that actually knows how to make cars!

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by asylteltine »

internet101010 wrote: post #37
treypitt wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's tough when you dogmatically refuse to use lidar! For Elmo, since the human eye doesn't have lidar, camera arrays are sufficient to achieve L3

Semi-related but how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars that have lidar jammers installed?

I would bet still better than how teslas fail to recognize cyclists or motorcycles still, even in 2023

And most systems use an array of sensors like radar, laser, and vision too. It’s only musk who is hell bent on lying to his customers about machine vision and also lying about his intentions where the goal is cost savings and not because machine vision is better.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by asylteltine »

flutas wrote: post #52
infecto wrote: post #38

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It’s not too surprising given the very specific conditions Mercedes runs in.

Yeah Currently - Only in CA and NV - Only below 40mph - Only on specifically mapped freeways ("only available on freeways that have been mapped by Mercedes") - There MUST be a vehicle in front of your car - "reasonable road conditions with readable markings and lines" - "clear weather" - Daytime only ("Drive Pilot can’t be used at night or in the rain, and the headlights and wipers must be set to auto for it to work.…

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