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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by L-four » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:09 PM UTC

internet101010 wrote: post #37

treypitt wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's tough when you dogmatically refuse to use lidar! For Elmo, since the human eye doesn't have lidar, camera arrays are sufficient to achieve L3

Semi-related but how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars that have lidar jammers installed?

Semi-related how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars with RPG launchers installed?

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by CaptainOfCoit » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:10 PM UTC

internet101010 wrote: post #37

treypitt wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's tough when you dogmatically refuse to use lidar! For Elmo, since the human eye doesn't have lidar, camera arrays are sufficient to achieve L3

Semi-related but how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars that have lidar jammers installed?

Unrelated, but why would a car have a lidar jammer installed?

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by nixgeek » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:12 PM UTC

port22 wrote: post #40

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Mercedes will cover accidents where DrivePilot is at fault; your insurance will cover your faults. Would expect DrivePilot equipped vehicles to store insane amounts of telemetry from all their sensors, which will make it far easier for Mercedes to prove that you’re at fault than you to do the opposite.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by jgalt212 » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:13 PM UTC

> Mercedes-Benz is the first automaker to gain approval to sell a Level 3 automated driving system in the United States;

Yet, Telsa continues to market FSD. Where is Lina Khan on this?

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by tjoff » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:13 PM UTC

port22 wrote: post #40

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Funny, but obviously any accidents caused by the self-driving. In other cases it is covered by regular insurance by the faulting party.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by airstrike » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

wilde wrote: post #17

nomilk wrote: post #13

Surprised to learn it's not tesla or comma with the first level 3 driving system approved for sale in the US. Would never have guessed Mercedes would beat them to it.

Slow and steady won this race.

Also slow is smooth and smooth is fast

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by nixgeek » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #42

internet101010 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Semi-related but how do lidar-based systems handle nearby cars that have lidar jammers installed?

Unrelated, but why would a car have a lidar jammer installed?

I think the reference is to ALP systems which are used to defeat law enforcement speed guns? Not sure if those operate on the same frequencies as the DrivePilot LiDAR. It seems unlikely they do otherwise LE would have difficulty prosecuting speeders in these new vehicles?

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by nerdponx » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:15 PM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #29

simondotau wrote: post #16

An autonomous driving system is either good enough to drive on our roads without supervision — or it's not. If it is good enough, it shouldn't matter whether others know if the driver isn't human. Any unsupervised driving system is likely to be around two orders of magnitude safer than a human driver.[0] So effectively they're special lights to tell others that a car is extremely safe. This will backfire horribly. Wh…

It’s literally there so cops etc don’t pull you over for watching a movie while driving.

They should still pull you over for that. Pilot's don't get to watch an in-flight movie just because autopilot is on.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by j4yav » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:15 PM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #29

simondotau wrote: post #16

An autonomous driving system is either good enough to drive on our roads without supervision — or it's not. If it is good enough, it shouldn't matter whether others know if the driver isn't human. Any unsupervised driving system is likely to be around two orders of magnitude safer than a human driver.[0] So effectively they're special lights to tell others that a car is extremely safe. This will backfire horribly. Wh…

It’s literally there so cops etc don’t pull you over for watching a movie while driving.

Unless it's only visible to cops, that doesn't really invalidate what the post you are replying to is saying about unintended consequences.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by ldrndll » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

port22 wrote: post #40

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Or perhaps people will understand that this is a car with an abundance of sensors, and all sorts of data about what it "sees" (including actual camera footage) will be stored and used in this sort of litigation. At which point you're taking on a multi-billion company with a hugely vested interest in winning any legal challenges.

I'd say it's a far more like buying a lottery ticket. Good luck!