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African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

taeric wrote: post #163
Geisterde wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it make you feel intelligent to reduce a complex organism to whats on a flag?

This is literally what they put on their own flag, though? Not like it is an ancient flag, either; so you can't "contextualize" it in a way that does it any favors. I'm curious what makes you want to ignore it?

> curious what makes you want to ignore it?

Commenter you’re responding to was arguing we should have left the Nazis alone in another thread [1]. Some combination of kneejerk anti-American sentiment, a belief that every problem can be solved over a dining table and/or trolling.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734555

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #170
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they aren't invading countries around the world to involve themselves in other people's problems China invaded and annexed Nepal (EDIT: Tibet). They’re also prominently involved in Central Asian and African politics. > not sure what you're saying in your last paragraph China depends on Middle Eastern oil. The Strait of Hormuz and Bab-el-Mandab closing pose an existential crisis to it. Letting America deal with the…

When did China invade Nepal? I'm aware that they have close relationships politically with many countries but that's very different than invading them, overthrowing their leaders or arming groups that will destabilise them. I'm not sure I agree with your last point. It feels like you're assuming that the American solution is necessary or the only way. As I said above, other actors may see it differently.

Sorry, brain fart. I meant Tibet.

> feels like you're assuming that the American solution is necessary or the only way

No. I think a regional solution would be better. But Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are constrained by domestic politics, and everyone else with militaries in the region is an ally who would expect America to take lead or a competing oil exporter.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by j4yav »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #171
taeric wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally what they put on their own flag, though? Not like it is an ancient flag, either; so you can't "contextualize" it in a way that does it any favors. I'm curious what makes you want to ignore it?

> curious what makes you want to ignore it? Commenter you’re responding to was arguing we should have left the Nazis alone in another thread [1]. Some combination of kneejerk anti-American sentiment, a belief that every problem can be solved over a dining table and/or trolling. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734555

Oh, yikes

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by Longlius »

dhoe wrote: post #90
Longlius wrote: post #62

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AFAIK China's navy isn't currently designed for such long-range deployments.

China has a military base in Djibouti, a stone throw from Yemen. Its size is pretty impressive.

>a stone throw from Yemen

If by a 'stone throw', you mean 'across the entire African continent' then yes.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by ceejayoz »

smashah wrote: post #158
ceejayoz wrote: post #127

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> That's for the Yemeni government forces to sort out. Anyone who starts taking potshots at civilian neutrally-flagged ships in international waters should not be surprised by a response.

No such response from the Americans for taking potshots and killing 10k+ civilian children with US bombs and Israeli sniper drones. Crazy how that works. Maybe someone should look into that.

> Maybe someone should look into that.

Are you under the impression no one is?

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by taeric »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #171
taeric wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally what they put on their own flag, though? Not like it is an ancient flag, either; so you can't "contextualize" it in a way that does it any favors. I'm curious what makes you want to ignore it?

> curious what makes you want to ignore it? Commenter you’re responding to was arguing we should have left the Nazis alone in another thread [1]. Some combination of kneejerk anti-American sentiment, a belief that every problem can be solved over a dining table and/or trolling. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734555

I'm finding too many of these threads read as a train wreck in assuming amazing morals from anything not US. In ways that are baffling, as most of the criticism that is aired of US behavior in the US would flat not be tolerated in most other countries that people seem to be promoting. Worse still, the charity given to literal terrorists in their messaging is flat out offensive.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by AlecSchueler »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #172
AlecSchueler wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did China invade Nepal? I'm aware that they have close relationships politically with many countries but that's very different than invading them, overthrowing their leaders or arming groups that will destabilise them. I'm not sure I agree with your last point. It feels like you're assuming that the American solution is necessary or the only way. As I said above, other actors may see it differently.

Sorry, brain fart. I meant Tibet. > feels like you're assuming that the American solution is necessary or the only way No. I think a regional solution would be better. But Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are constrained by domestic politics, and everyone else with militaries in the region is an ally who would expect America to take lead or a competing oil exporter.

Ah, ok. I think 1951 was a little bit before they adapted their current non interference policies.

If the US and others weren't actively arming the Saudis then a regional solution might be easier to find.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by Geisterde »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #155
Geisterde wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands.

> are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands Great, we’ve devolved into generic ad hominem .

What do you want me to say, the f22 never worked, the f35 launched late and still has kinks, we have no hypersonic weapons or defense against them. Our competitors have been fielding hypersonic weapons, flying fifth generation fighters. Iran has a very simple military strategy due to their geography, and are dug in like its a national objective, wargames the US has held shows us losing. That fight will open the floodgates to other socioeconomic challenges that the US is not prepared to navigate, like the rise of brics for international trade, regional war where we are being shot at from every direction, the collapse of the currency.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by Fatnino »

Geisterde wrote: post #152
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> the moment iran decides they are shutting the straight of hormuz, its shut We are threatening to shut the Strait. We sailed a CVN to Hormuz to telegraph two can tango. > US is currently 5-10 years behind in weapons technology Compared to Iran?! We’re literally liquidating their newest air-defence systems with 90s-era kit in Ukraine. > War with iran will be as historically significant as the sacking of rome on our o…

You are playing with action figures, pushing troop markers around a board with no regard for the reality as it stands.

So are you.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by Fatnino »

Longlius wrote: post #174
dhoe wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has a military base in Djibouti, a stone throw from Yemen. Its size is pretty impressive.

>a stone throw from Yemen If by a 'stone throw', you mean 'across the entire African continent' then yes.

Do you not know where Djibouti is?

Pull up a map.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/7eYMoQaq1x7JfYUC8

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