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How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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post #141

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Wikipedia is not funded by ads for example. Lots of other sites neither. So I would say, not the whole internet would go away without ads, but probably the worst parts and what remains is worth visiting.

But how many Wikipedias can there be? They got funding because they are large and have reputation behind them. If you tried starting up a new Wikipedia to compete, guess he much non-advert funding you'd get? Look at how quora tried and failed hard, and have to sell out to survive. Look at stack overflow these days?

You don't need resources if you are small and unknown. Run it at your house until you have a few thousand users, and then move to something like Hetzner (if you're one of those Swiss people with 25 Gb/s Internet, skip step 2). If I'm interpreting their grafana[0] right, Wikimedia gets ~20 edits per second and usually peaks less than ~200k requests/second across all projects, and it looks like traffic has not exceeded 7 Gb/s over the last 90 days across all data centers. Even the largest projects are not a lot from a technical perspective these days.

[0] https://grafana.wikimedia.org

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Also, switch to something non-Chromium if at all possible. Which brings us in the paradoxical situation that if you want there to be any choice left at all in browsers then you're pretty much forced to choose firefox.

Or Safari / WebKit (like Orion) I get everyone hates on Safari but it is legitimately also a different engine and they have shown to be privacy conscious. Orion in particular is very good IMO

Why does everyone hate Safari? I’ve used it for almost a decade with few complaints and it’s only gotten better.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Or Safari / WebKit (like Orion) I get everyone hates on Safari but it is legitimately also a different engine and they have shown to be privacy conscious. Orion in particular is very good IMO

Why does everyone hate Safari? I’ve used it for almost a decade with few complaints and it’s only gotten better.

There's alot of developers who think Safari is the new Internet Explorer[0][1][2][3][4][5][6]

As for my view, I think thats a bit extreme, though until relatively recently, Safari was slow to update and support many standards that came out in the last 4-5 years, though I think this is largely resolved, Apple does have some security and privacy concerns with APIs like the proposed File System Access API[7] that some feel is overblown and still holding the web back as a platform, specifically around gaining access to native functionality, particularly with iOS.

Also until very recently, their PWA support for things like push notifications were non-existant, they have slow rolled any web platform gains being supported on iOS and that could be perceived as protecting their App Store as the web platform becomes more app like.

My own opinion is somewhere in the middle, but this is the overall scope of the complaints summarized

[0]: https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming...

[1]: https://blog.logrocket.com/when-will-safari-finally-get-it-t...

[2]: https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/

[3]: Even here on hacker news, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34377890

[4]: Dev advocate for Safari Team addressing the statement headon: https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/1491064075987873792

[5]: Op-ed by Nolan Lawson on Ars Technica: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed...

[6]: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/02/09/safari-team-asks-for-fe...

[7]: https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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post #180

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> My experience was that it was incredibly accessible. > I easily set up a web server I can't believe you can write one after the other.

And yet you believe that the current status is necessary

I don't see how one has to do with the other. Saying that the internet was accessible, and showing that by saying "I just had to set up a server" is insane.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Why does everyone hate Safari? I’ve used it for almost a decade with few complaints and it’s only gotten better.

There's alot of developers who think Safari is the new Internet Explorer[0][1][2][3][4][5][6] As for my view, I think thats a bit extreme, though until relatively recently, Safari was slow to update and support many standards that came out in the last 4-5 years, though I think this is largely resolved, Apple does have some security and privacy concerns with APIs like the proposed File System Access API[7] that some f…

Thanks for the thorough reply.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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My two cents is that while browser tracking matters, people should also be conscious of not giving away their email and cell number when signing up for accounts or making purchases. Every time you do this, the company sells the data to Google and Meta and it gets joined together on those primary keys, creating a comprehensive profile of your interests. Use Apple’s “Hide my email” and I also like the company “my pseud…

I hear this a lot, but I have never understood the details. How is the data sold to Google? What program are these websites participating in, where Google is paying them for customer email addresses, phone numbers, and purchase history?

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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post #180

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And yet you believe that the current status is necessary

I don't see how one has to do with the other. Saying that the internet was accessible, and showing that by saying "I just had to set up a server" is insane.

He didn't say he had to, he just said he did it

It would be very healthy anyhow if setting up a server (or any kind of self-hosted service) were less fraught upon, it really is much simpler than many people imagine

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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post #182

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What are “tech-woke” messages?

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/mozilla-now-only-...

> Today, I upgraded to Firefox 106. Upon opening Firefox, I received a very creepy message saying:

> "Thank you for loving Firefox".

> I really resent the presumptuousness of this message. I never told you I "loved" Firefox. How could anyone "love" a Web browser? It's a functional tool: a doorway to the Web.

I am dying. This has to be one of the funniest things I've read all year.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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My experience was that it was incredibly accessible. I easily set up a web server on my home internet connection because my line was synchronous and static IPs were easily available.

> My experience was that it was incredibly accessible. > I easily set up a web server I can't believe you can write one after the other.

As a teen and complete novice it took me 8 ours on a Saturday. What's contradictory about those two statements?

Other than the hurdles that the giants have put in the way it could be incredibly fast today.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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post #144
post #46

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Hear hear. Of course, on my workstation Chrome is "the recommended browser for internal applications" and firefox is a developer special request which is not allowed to support add-ons

The chrome add-on system has the ability for the management organisation to set a whitelist for your corporate computer. I don't recall this to be the case for Firefox (that may have changed by now?). So you can only use vanilla Firefox in a corporate managed profile.

So in the org I work for, we aren't allowed to add through the normal chrome extensions process. Instead you must request the add on in an intranet app, assuming it's preapproved, and then reload your desktop applications.
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