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How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by jorvi »

freeAgent wrote: post #104
jorvi wrote: post #96

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Why? If tomorrow Google turns next-level evil in terms of privacy / steering the web, Microsoft will have forked Chromium within a week, and everyone (Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, etc) will swap their upstream immediately. People have this illusion that Google has an ironclad grip on Chromium, but they don’t. It’s maximally permissively licensed, the only reason they get to decide much is because they put in (pay) the dev h…

How much more evil do you want Google to get before it’s problematic that they control the portal through which most people interact with the web (both browser/engine and search)? And why not use Firefox (or Safari/WebKit) already?

> And why not use Firefox (or Safari/WebKit) already?

Mozilla these days seems more happy at pumping out tech-woke messages rather than being privacy first. Hell, they’ve refused to add an adblocker to their iOS browser for years now.

3rd party WebKit browsers are more rare, thus less well-developed.

I’ve settled on using Brave.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by 0xDEADFED5 »

ndriscoll wrote: post #100
insanitybit wrote: post #54

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> Even today, a Wordpress blog costs about as much as a coffee per month. I was able to do it for free because of ads. I was a teenager just getting into computer security, I had a $0 budget. That blog is why I even have a career. > and stuff got put up because people were interested rather than as a side hustle How are people who are interested going to put something up? They'll have to pay for it. Say goodbye to "I…

When I was a teenager, I found and installed Apache. WordPress apparently had existed for a year or two, but I didn't hear about it for several years after. I memorized my IP address and would link people to that, and never bought a hostname or anything. If you just want to host a blog and maybe dabble in PHP, Apache works great. These days as an adult who programs professionally, my personal site is just a directory…

there's always dynamic dns, too

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by out-of-ideas »

ljm wrote: post #113
lamontcg wrote: post #94

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> if Firefox starts gaining traction... yeah, so lets make that happen and then find out what the response is. right now we're stuck in the "tried nothing and all out of ideas" state.

Firefox used to have traction, enough to be a threat to Internet Explorer. People won't switch when you get a degraded experience of Google services on Firefox. Similarly, if Firefox was as easy to embed as Chrome we'd probably see a lot more alternatives based on it.

i dont have any degraded experience of "google services on firefox"; sounds quite false. Of course i dont have my browser feeding into google 24/7 like folks do with chrome now (but even that "feature" is still relatively new).

People switched when google (having the site everybody went to daily) started advertising on the home page "use our browser" - must be nice; and in the start it seemed like a tool for users to use to harvest data; unlike today where chrome is the tool that the data-collectors use to harvest people

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by throwawa14223 »

g-b-r wrote: post #86
insanitybit wrote: post #39

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You're talking about the internet when it was tiny and inaccessible, and you're acting like that was good. That's a position to take, but I don't think it's a good one - again, I would not have been able to write my blog for free, the sites we take for granted today would not exist. The only way to actually publish would be to have technical skills and money, which I don't think is good.

It was NOT inaccessible Look up geocities maybe, most providers gave you some free space anyhow

My experience was that it was incredibly accessible. I easily set up a web server on my home internet connection because my line was synchronous and static IPs were easily available.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by JKCalhoun »

insanitybit wrote: post #39
throwawa14223 wrote: post #37

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The internet existed without ads and big centralized sites. People ran their own sites, link rings, email and other services. The big guys have taken away so much of the ability to effectively self-host, but fundamentally we do not need them and we do not need ads.

You're talking about the internet when it was tiny and inaccessible, and you're acting like that was good. That's a position to take, but I don't think it's a good one - again, I would not have been able to write my blog for free, the sites we take for granted today would not exist. The only way to actually publish would be to have technical skills and money, which I don't think is good.

We didn't blog. We posted on USENET — for free.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by out-of-ideas »

userbinator wrote: post #61
contravariant wrote: post #22

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Also, switch to something non-Chromium if at all possible. Which brings us in the paradoxical situation that if you want there to be any choice left at all in browsers then you're pretty much forced to choose firefox.

Use Firefox for anything app-site-ish, but something else for the rest of the non-JS "document web". HN doesn't need much in the way of a browser, for example. Ditto for a lot of other forums out there. The sooner we get rid of the notion that the only browsers we're supposed to use are Firefox or something else by Big Tech, and the sooner developers stop drinking the Goog-Aid of "progress", the more true browser div…

Fully agreed; i also enjoy using an actual video player to play videos vs letting the now operating-system-sized-javascript-cruft-in-browser to try to do its thing. there are alternatives out there, use them; its called "the open web" for a reason, that "source code" fed to us can is code that we can choose to render, or not

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by d3w4s9 »

charcircuit wrote: post #10
userbinator wrote: post #9

Google referring to any of this as “privacy” is deceiving. It's pure doublespeak. Privacy is surveillance.

It is better for privacy than third party cookies which they are getting rid of.

Is it, really? Any proof?

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by bee_rider »

userbinator wrote: post #61
contravariant wrote: post #22

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Also, switch to something non-Chromium if at all possible. Which brings us in the paradoxical situation that if you want there to be any choice left at all in browsers then you're pretty much forced to choose firefox.

Use Firefox for anything app-site-ish, but something else for the rest of the non-JS "document web". HN doesn't need much in the way of a browser, for example. Ditto for a lot of other forums out there. The sooner we get rid of the notion that the only browsers we're supposed to use are Firefox or something else by Big Tech, and the sooner developers stop drinking the Goog-Aid of "progress", the more true browser div…

I enjoyed Suckless Surf, although I always had the vague, nagging suspicion that Firefox must be doing something extra behind the scenes with privacy and security…

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by bee_rider »

0xDEADFED5 wrote: post #132
ndriscoll wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a teenager, I found and installed Apache. WordPress apparently had existed for a year or two, but I didn't hear about it for several years after. I memorized my IP address and would link people to that, and never bought a hostname or anything. If you just want to host a blog and maybe dabble in PHP, Apache works great. These days as an adult who programs professionally, my personal site is just a directory…

there's always dynamic dns, too

Maybe someday ipv6 will become widespread and we can all have thousands of static IP addresses.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by chii »

out-of-ideas wrote: post #133
ljm wrote: post #113

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Firefox used to have traction, enough to be a threat to Internet Explorer. People won't switch when you get a degraded experience of Google services on Firefox. Similarly, if Firefox was as easy to embed as Chrome we'd probably see a lot more alternatives based on it.

i dont have any degraded experience of "google services on firefox"; sounds quite false. Of course i dont have my browser feeding into google 24/7 like folks do with chrome now (but even that "feature" is still relatively new). People switched when google (having the site everybody went to daily) started advertising on the home page "use our browser" - must be nice; and in the start it seemed like a tool for users to…

Google did start advertising chrome, but the speed of chrome (and stability) was not fake and it won over the early adopters.

Firefox dropped the ball at the time, and now even tho it has mostly caught up in speed and stability, their market share doesn't grow because it's not substantially better feature wise.

May be the adblock wars can change that, because chrome seems to be going towards eliminating adblocker.

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