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African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#81

I like how Chinese do not want to get involved in protecting vessels, despite the fact that it’s their containers on board. Oh well, good old America has to save capitalism, yet again :)

It's far better for America if they're the only ones capable of doing this.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#82

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Or the U.S. unloads cruise missiles on Houthi locations like last time and business returns to normal.

Or maybe iran deduces that the US isnt capable of doing the same to them and makes this unimaginably worse.

> iran deduces that the US isnt capable of doing the same to them

Why do you think we moved a carrier strike group to the Strait of Hormuz before sailing it to Yemen [1]?

[1] https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/11/27/ike-carr...

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#83
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People told them to stop. The Houthis don't want to stop and instead continue to attack others. Mist it is.

Right, telling them to stop, that addresses their greivances, you should be a diplomat.

Sorry that dropping dead with my entire state so they would be happy is not acceptable..

But even dropping dead collectively, how can I make sure all my people get a curse and America is dead too?

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#84

I think most miss is that what the media refers to as "Houthis", is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen. Pointing this out because some of the comments read as bafflement over their organization and equipment. They are not a rag tag collection of villagers who decided pirating is the best path forward. They are often trained military.

> is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen They “exert de facto authority over the bulk of North Yemen” [1]. The problem is there is no single person who controls their armed groups. So striking a deal with one person provides zero assurance around what the others will do. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement#Houthi-contr...

I for the life of me can't figure out how countries end up in situations where a large subset of said population is not only armed by effectively uncontrollable by the government.

How do they get money for arms? Where do the arms come from? Why is the government unable to exert any realistic control within their own borders?

I know its a complex political problem, but I still don't get how in 2023 we still have warlords and quasi-states like this.

Is the government of Yemen so incompetent they can't exert any control over these areas? I would believe that, to be honest. I'm simply baffled is all.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#85

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Trade typically involves a buyer and a seller.

Chinese trade with the US doesn’t in large part go through the Suez Canal. Chinese/US trade mostly just goes directly across the Pacific.

Europe?

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#86

I think most miss is that what the media refers to as "Houthis", is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen. Pointing this out because some of the comments read as bafflement over their organization and equipment. They are not a rag tag collection of villagers who decided pirating is the best path forward. They are often trained military.

> is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen They “exert de facto authority over the bulk of North Yemen” [1]. The problem is there is no single person who controls their armed groups. So striking a deal with one person provides zero assurance around what the others will do. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement#Houthi-contr...

> So striking a deal with one person provides zero assurance around what the others will do

They're primarily a clan/tribe - al-Houthi.

It's fairly organized like other clan systems. The issue is they don't want to negotiate. They have bad blood stretching from the Saleh government and even earlier - the same way how Daesh is able to hold Deir ez-Zur because of Al-Bakr support.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#87

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Trade typically involves a buyer and a seller.

They are definitely not American containers. Yet everyone counts on America to save the day! Multipolar world my ass.

China would sooner reroute that get involved in conflicts so far from home. You're blaming people who aren't American for not being American enough. Not everything has to be resolved violently.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#88

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> is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen They “exert de facto authority over the bulk of North Yemen” [1]. The problem is there is no single person who controls their armed groups. So striking a deal with one person provides zero assurance around what the others will do. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement#Houthi-contr...

> So striking a deal with one person provides zero assurance around what the others will do They're primarily a clan/tribe - al-Houthi. It's fairly organized like other clan systems. The issue is they don't want to negotiate. They have bad blood stretching from the Saleh government and even earlier - the same way how Daesh is able to hold Deir ez-Zur because of Al-Bakr support.

> fairly organized like other clan systems

Embedded with foreign fighters. (EDIT: Nvm.)

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#89
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It baffles me that they still have a helicopter that's being actively used for piracy. Seems like that should be number one on the target list.

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Gaza isn't in Yemen so it is not self defense

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

#90

I like how Chinese do not want to get involved in protecting vessels, despite the fact that it’s their containers on board. Oh well, good old America has to save capitalism, yet again :)

AFAIK China's navy isn't currently designed for such long-range deployments.

China has a military base in Djibouti, a stone throw from Yemen. Its size is pretty impressive.
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