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African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Or the U.S. unloads cruise missiles on Houthi locations like last time and business returns to normal.

It baffles me that they still have a helicopter that's being actively used for piracy. Seems like that should be number one on the target list.

Yemen is at war with Israel. They are targetting Israeli ships. It's not piracy. It's act of war.

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I like how Chinese do not want to get involved in protecting vessels, despite the fact that it’s their containers on board. Oh well, good old America has to save capitalism, yet again :)

AFAIK China's navy isn't currently designed for such long-range deployments.

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Or the U.S. unloads cruise missiles on Houthi locations like last time and business returns to normal.

UNSC might force a ceasefire today which will likely stop these attacks on ships.

I don’t understand the power dynamics, tbh. How does the security council have the power to stop this rebel group’s operations?

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Right, and history started 2 months ago. There was never a partner for peace of course, not when we gave chemical weapons to Saddam, not when we invaded and turned the place into a shooting gallery for no reason, not when we rejected the talibans offer to turn over bin laden, not when we let him escape into Pakistan, not when we turned Libya into a failed state, not when we invaded somalia, not when we propped up a d…

The US, UK, and Russia are generally hated in the Middle East and for good reason. Norway also failed to hold the various parties that came to agreements in Oslo. Not that they had to, but it would’ve been nice to get the mediator on the record of what the agreement was and how it actually played out.

> The US, UK, and Russia are generally hated in the Middle East and for good reason.

In Middle East, any given actor hates most other Middle Eastern actors. Hate is not in short supply there.

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What side do you think tried violence before talking? The followers of Hussein al-Houthi? The Israelis? The Gazans? Hamas? Historic Palestinian leaderships? I could give examples for and against every single one of those entities. This is very much a matter of perspective - and everyone thinks he was reasonable from his own perspective.

Right, and history started 2 months ago. There was never a partner for peace of course, not when we gave chemical weapons to Saddam, not when we invaded and turned the place into a shooting gallery for no reason, not when we rejected the talibans offer to turn over bin laden, not when we let him escape into Pakistan, not when we turned Libya into a failed state, not when we invaded somalia, not when we propped up a d…

You're describing life. This is diplomacy, while we can argue about its effectiveness I'm certain we can agree that it's still better than China, Russia and or Iran. It's just a matter of perspective - the west is the lesser evil here

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“The Houthis aren’t going to stop what they’re doing, until the Israeli offensive in Gaza concludes,” Gregory Brew, an analyst at the Eurasia Group, told Al Jazeera, “and even then they are likely to continue for some time after.” Their demands and intentions are quite clear and solely focused on Israeli-bound ships, although it does seem like this is giving them more leverage with respect to Yemen's agenda which has…

> Their demands and intentions are quite clear and solely focused on Israeli-bound ships... Their actions haven't been, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_involvement_in_the_2023... > On 12 December 2023, the Houthis launched an anti-ship cruise missile attack against the Norwegian commercial ship Strinda, an oil and chemical tanker operated by the J. Ludwig Mowinckels Rederi company, while it was close to…

It’s not just ships directly going to Israel but also ships going to countries that are aiding Israel (basically, all of Europe).

It’s effectively a shut down of trade to make _basically everyone_ hurt until the world forces the US to stop vetoing UNSC resolutions.

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The Houthis want conflict to remain in power domestically.

They're not really Houthis, they are followers of Hussein al-Houthi. I don't know why the Western media insists on giving them this name. Hussein al-Houthi was a Houthi, but most of his supporters are not. Would you call all Barak Obama supporters "Obamas"?

When they start pirating around, maybe

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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I like how Chinese do not want to get involved in protecting vessels, despite the fact that it’s their containers on board. Oh well, good old America has to save capitalism, yet again :)

Trade typically involves a buyer and a seller.

Chinese trade with the US doesn’t in large part go through the Suez Canal.

Chinese/US trade mostly just goes directly across the Pacific.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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UNSC might force a ceasefire today which will likely stop these attacks on ships.

I don’t understand the power dynamics, tbh. How does the security council have the power to stop this rebel group’s operations?

This group has stated that a ceasefire in Israel is enough for them to stop iirc.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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I think most miss is that what the media refers to as "Houthis", is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen. Pointing this out because some of the comments read as bafflement over their organization and equipment. They are not a rag tag collection of villagers who decided pirating is the best path forward. They are often trained military.

> is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen

They “exert de facto authority over the bulk of North Yemen” [1]. The problem is there is no single person who controls their armed groups. So striking a deal with one person provides zero assurance around what the others will do.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement#Houthi-contr...

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