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African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by aaomidi »

Waterluvian wrote: post #30
csomar wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. My guess is that this will be resolved through a combination of re-routing, new players (friendly to the Persians/Houthis) who will take advantage, and a bit of higher prices or some delay. The two big regional players (Saudi Arabia, UAE) are ignoring this because they made their deals already.

Or the U.S. unloads cruise missiles on Houthi locations like last time and business returns to normal.

UNSC might force a ceasefire today which will likely stop these attacks on ships.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by yard2010 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #25
chef0 wrote: post #17

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“The Houthis aren’t going to stop what they’re doing, until the Israeli offensive in Gaza concludes,” Gregory Brew, an analyst at the Eurasia Group, told Al Jazeera, “and even then they are likely to continue for some time after.” Their demands and intentions are quite clear and solely focused on Israeli-bound ships, although it does seem like this is giving them more leverage with respect to Yemen's agenda which has…

> Their demands and intentions are quite clear and solely focused on Israeli-bound ships... Their actions haven't been, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_involvement_in_the_2023... > On 12 December 2023, the Houthis launched an anti-ship cruise missile attack against the Norwegian commercial ship Strinda, an oil and chemical tanker operated by the J. Ludwig Mowinckels Rederi company, while it was close to…

Surprising - violent terrorists are being violent terrorists just for the sake of it. Also, with their religion, it just doesn't make any sense..

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by yard2010 »

sgift wrote: post #21
Geisterde wrote: post #4

You know how sometimes you find theres an simpler way of doing things? Sometimes its easier, or more scalable, it just takes creative thinking. Imagine for a moment a crazy idea, instead of sending a strike force to go turn people into mist, we try talking first? Its this weird phenomena, sometimes people dont rush into violence when they feel like their grievances are being taken seriously.

People told them to stop. The Houthis don't want to stop and instead continue to attack others. Mist it is.

It could be freedom too!

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Post by j4yav »

Geisterde wrote: post #35
sgift wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People told them to stop. The Houthis don't want to stop and instead continue to attack others. Mist it is.

Right, telling them to stop, that addresses their greivances, you should be a diplomat.

Their grievances are pretty simple and straightforward, they even put them in writing on their flag, which is just green and red text on a white background. Which ones specifically are you willing to support or concede for peace? Here's the list:

1. God is the Greatest

2. Death to America

3. Death to Israel

4. A Curse Upon the Jews

5. Victory to Islam

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by aaomidi »

Geisterde wrote: post #28
dotancohen wrote: post #7

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What side do you think tried violence before talking? The followers of Hussein al-Houthi? The Israelis? The Gazans? Hamas? Historic Palestinian leaderships? I could give examples for and against every single one of those entities. This is very much a matter of perspective - and everyone thinks he was reasonable from his own perspective.

Right, and history started 2 months ago. There was never a partner for peace of course, not when we gave chemical weapons to Saddam, not when we invaded and turned the place into a shooting gallery for no reason, not when we rejected the talibans offer to turn over bin laden, not when we let him escape into Pakistan, not when we turned Libya into a failed state, not when we invaded somalia, not when we propped up a d…

The US, UK, and Russia are generally hated in the Middle East and for good reason.

Norway also failed to hold the various parties that came to agreements in Oslo. Not that they had to, but it would’ve been nice to get the mediator on the record of what the agreement was and how it actually played out.

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Post by hackerlight »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #18
Geisterde wrote: post #9

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That logic could be applied to all belligerents in the conflict, can you name a country that doesnt apply to?

Did FDR want to join WW2 to stay in power at home?

Autocracies work very differently. War gives them an excuse to crack down on dissent, e.g. criminalizing opponents. Also, the foundational reason for the existence of the autocracy is often an unresolved conflict or grievance, for example North Korea, so they need to perpetuate the grievance.

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Post by golergka »

Geisterde wrote: post #33
newsclues wrote: post #23

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Assuming people are peaceful and rational is unrealistic.

Right, we havent spent the last 30 years trying to summon khorn over there, they are clearly irrational evil people that we just need to kill.

You're saying that with sarcasm, but that's the actual truth.

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Post by smashah »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #34
Waterluvian wrote: post #30

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Or the U.S. unloads cruise missiles on Houthi locations like last time and business returns to normal.

It baffles me that they still have a helicopter that's being actively used for piracy. Seems like that should be number one on the target list.

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by hotstickyballs »

whatever1 wrote: post #52

I like how Chinese do not want to get involved in protecting vessels, despite the fact that it’s their containers on board. Oh well, good old America has to save capitalism, yet again :)

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