Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

bbc.co.uk

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 361 posts

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#261

Post by RecycledEle »

hnbad wrote: post #147
make3 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wouldn't work, you could never trust him at all, as he's expressed zero remorse and actually intent to continue to do crime, and is apparently very strongly autistic & doesn't understand the complex nuances of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable as a white hat hacker

> very strongly autistic & doesn't understand the complex nuances of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable This is a popular framing of autistic people but this assumes the problem is complex nuances. Most of the time it's not very nuanced at all. The problem is that autistic people are less likely to follow rules they don't agree with or see as arbitrary - in the positive this is sometimes described as a "st…

> Studies have actually shown what is dismissively described as "moral rigidity", i.e. autistic people are more likely to follow ethical rules they profess even when they believe they can get away with breaking them and when nobody would find out. The problem is that "normal" people are much more "morally flexible" and thus share an implicit understanding of what rules are important (i.e. actual rules) and which ones you're supposed to say you follow but aren't expected to.

Very true.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#262

Post by baybal2 »

neilkk wrote: post #105
ipaddr wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what world do you live in where getting too many parking tickets and causing violence gets you life in prison until an unknown paid state employee decides you took all non-necessary meds and drank the kool-aid? If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. The judge should have to suffer the same fate before he can order this.

> If someone was killed they would get out a certain date. No, there are lots of people (in the United States) doing life without the possibility of parole. There are many people who will never be released from solitary confinement. Some of these people were incarcerated for fairly trivial crimes and all subsequent punishment was for acts committed while in prison. What do you think happens to people who repeatedly c…

[dead]

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#263

Post by RecycledEle »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #132
whalesalad wrote: post #127

Absolutely monumental waste of talent. Reminds me of how I got expelled from high school for "hacking" into their terrible infrastructure (without causing any damage whatsoever, other than to their pride). They threw the book at me. Threatened felonies. Were going on and on about how I will never vote, never be able to work as a postal worker etc. Get this kid into the right environment and he would probably be able…

Note the violence. This is a person that can't control themselves when things don't go their way.

[flagged]

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#264

Post by BobaFloutist »

jamespo wrote: post #226
BobaFloutist wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though we don't consider it such, because we accept that police are needed to maintain some level of order and it's not good when people resist arrest, the violence was more or less in self-defense. I think there's a huge difference between someone (especially someone with "severe autism") lashing out when getting more or less abducted and removed from a familiar environment by force (even if we'd prefer they stay ca…

Source for these claims?

Which claim? My comment was almost entirely opinion.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#265

Post by RecycledEle »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #81
serialNumber wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

being sentenced to life for hacking is out of proportion

He wasn’t sentenced to life. He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm. This is as a result of both his hacking, his assaults on caretakers and destruction of physical property. He also told the court that if he was released he would go right back to doing crimes.

> He was ordered to remain under supervised medical care until a doctor determines that he is mentally fit to stop causing harm.

What if his moral code is correct, and the court's moral code is wrong? (maybe it should be called the cult's moral code?)

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#266

Post by kyawzazaw »

h0l0cube wrote: post #231
6stringmerc wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really great angle and perspective to add in - I agree a noted habit / trend / short-hand in “severity” sometimes with technical subjects. I read through and also have heard some similar routine prep stories. Unusual? Absolutely! Then again, it’s also unusual for a Dodge dealership in North Texas to have 7 Hellcat vehicles stolen in one night, but here we are. So, I pick up that maybe the tech stack isn’t t…

> Add that in with, reportedly a physical violence time in life Throwing an autistic person into prison will do that. The child abuse that autistic people often receive in their childhood will do that > the persistent threat maybe can heal out of it? Or maybe just give them a job instead of throwing them in a padded cell for life?

I hope they worked out a deal at least

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#267

Post by kyawzazaw »

lijok wrote: post #221
whalesalad wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting in is getting in. Social engineering is like 90% of hacking.

That’s correct, but it’s not a “monumental waste of talent”

what are your thoughts on Kevin Mitnick?

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#268

Post by turquoisevar »

vunderba wrote: post #227
thomastjeffery wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't feel remorse for his crimes. Am I a psychopath? Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime .

This is a view shared by literally zero people. It is so lacking in basic reasoning and logic that it's almost frightening to see it on a normally more rational site like Hacker News. Let's change the wording around a bit. What makes hacking a "game company" exempt from normal ethics into breaking and entering? What if the "game company" consists of only a single employee who uses their personal laptop? Totally fine…

> This is a view shared by literally zero people

So you make a claim, and to try and pass that claim off as believable you change literally every parameter you can possibly change.

GP said:

> Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime.

They didn’t say anything about hacking someone’s personal laptop to steal someone’s personal data. They didn’t say anything about hacking all companies, they didn’t say anything about themselves being hacked, they didn’t say anything about someone entering their home and stealing their shit.

They said:

> Hacking a game company just so you can show people what is being worked on should not be a crime.

And just to prove you wrong, you can add me to the tally.

Now it’s a view shared by at least two people.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#269

Post by baybal2 »

h0l0cube wrote: post #231
6stringmerc wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really great angle and perspective to add in - I agree a noted habit / trend / short-hand in “severity” sometimes with technical subjects. I read through and also have heard some similar routine prep stories. Unusual? Absolutely! Then again, it’s also unusual for a Dodge dealership in North Texas to have 7 Hellcat vehicles stolen in one night, but here we are. So, I pick up that maybe the tech stack isn’t t…

> Add that in with, reportedly a physical violence time in life Throwing an autistic person into prison will do that. The child abuse that autistic people often receive in their childhood will do that > the persistent threat maybe can heal out of it? Or maybe just give them a job instead of throwing them in a padded cell for life?

[dead]

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

#270

Post by lern_too_spel »

nicklecompte wrote: post #53

BBC's actual headline: "Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order" The editorialized reframing of the headline is a bit subtle but still incredibly dishonest. An indefinite psychiatric order is simply not the same as a life sentence.

Even the BBC headline is sensational. It implies that the indefinite detention is for a GTA 6 hack, and many people in these comments jumped to that conclusion. "GTA 6 hacker" is used in the headline to identify the person, not to explain the detention.
Post reply on HN